• napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org
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    So according to your logic Hitler only became a fascist once he completed restructuring the state to fit his ideology. Before that he was not a fascist?

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        But it would be a very showing sign if you started listing the steps Trump is taking to do so! Oh you can’t because he isn’t? Oh

        Oh I can. Everybody with eyes and ears can. And you are lucky I have nothing to do for a moment.

        Let’s take your own list.

        Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader (kinda one tick, he wants to be but isn’t ), centralized autocracy(nope, he holds no absolute authority),

        You said it yourself, he openly wants to be a dictator. He directly said that he wants to stay president in at least a third term. And that elections will not be needed in the future. And we know he is obsessed with personal loyalty. And from a german perspective I can tell you that the powers that a regular US president has are already borderline dictatorial at best. Executive orders, ordering military actions without oversight, full legal immunity, pardons, most of the “checks and balances” can just be ignored as Trump does, etc. Those things are insane and it is a wonder that no US president ever transformed the USA into a full dictatorship. He does not have to take any steps towards becoming a dictator, because the only necessary step is declaring that there are no term limits. The rest of his powers are already at a level that wannabe-dictators in other countries dream of. And here you have a guy that openly tells you what he wants to do with those.

        militarism(no, wants to conquer but can’t),

        when he came to power he immediately ordered a military parade and tried to pressure other countries to join the USA (Greenland, Canada). Do you think Hitler just decided to invade a neighbour one morning? No, it was preceded by a lot of pressuring those same neighbours and internal propaganda to prepare the populace for war.

        forcible suppression of opposition(nope),

        he deployed the national guard in cities that had large protests against him. He encouraged censoring people that spoke against him on television. Yesterday he threatened to specifically hurt democratic states if the democrats do not agree to his budget plan.

        belief in a natural social hierarchy(nupe),

        His racism and misogyny are not enough for you? You need super-racism?

        subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race(nope, only his interest),

        do you know what the word “perceived” means? The “interest of the nation” is just a pretext to rally support for personal interest and it has been the same in the 1930s

        and strong regimentation of society and the economy(hahaha, no)

        Historians and other scholars disagree on the question of whether a specifically fascist type of economic policy can be said to exist. David Baker argues that there is an identifiable economic system in fascism that is distinct from those advocated by other ideologies, comprising essential characteristics that fascist nations shared.[302] Payne, Paxton, Sternhell et al. argue that while fascist economies share some similarities, there is no distinctive form of fascist economic organization.[303][304][305] Gerald Feldman and Timothy Mason argue that fascism is distinguished by an absence of coherent economic ideology and a lack of serious economic thinking. They state that the decisions taken by fascist leaders cannot be explained within a logical economic framework.[306] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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          23 hours ago

          Ok, but like other than all that, what evidence do you have!? Ha, checkmate liberal!!

          :P