• Wanderer@lemm.ee
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    11 hours ago

    You need to look up how much grid storage lithium batteries are being built. It’s exponential growth. Faster than solar.

    The reason it’s worthwhile is because solar makes energy with 0 or near 0 price to the owner in certain places, if they store that and use it for later they save money. There are cost calculators out there and for certain markets they make sense.

    Of course Tesla pushes it they got a product people want and it makes the consumer and Tesla money. Win win. That’s business, nothing shady about that.

    Yes batteries are better on the grid but that’s for exactly the same reasons why solar is better on the grid.

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        39 minutes ago

        though the generator is going to be far more eco friendly than the batteries over their respective lifetimes

        That’s just not true.

        vastly inferior solution to the implementation of even local grid scale solutions.

        Same as solar. But you seem to be pro rooftop solar but not home grids and no explanation why.

        Also because there is essentially 0 infrastructure designed to handle said batteries,

        Makes no sense because the struggles the grid currently has with solar will be offset. Home batteries reduces demand on the grid and internalise production and demand more into the house.

        they wear out quite quickly at home scales (unless you’re using uncommon chemistries, but if you’re using iron-nickle batteries you’re not the target audience here)

        In a cost exercise if the batteries last longer than the payback period they are worth it. Which is the case so that point is meaningless.

        and because Elon popularized them with his “powerwall” bullshit entirely to pump the stock value of Tesla’s battery plant (which is it’s own spectacular saga I encourage you to look up, it’s a real trip).

        I don’t under a CEO pushes a good product that helps the grid and helps consumers make money. Your bias against Elon is just limiting your world view.

        Batteries in the walls are useful in niches, but the current technology which uses lipo/lion/lifepo4 chemistries is inherently flawed and a route to both dead linemen and massive amounts of E-waste.

        Chemistry has nothing to do with electrons on the wires so that doesn’t make sense. Lithium ion batteries are recyclable. Yes batteries are Bette Ron the grid but getting them connected is hard. Same solar, waste on roofs but thats how it goes. The arguments are the same.

        They could be useful potentially, but as it stands, it’s really bad right now.

        They are useful. They aren’t bad.