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The foundation of the new policy is that New York state will be able to authorize first responders to forcibly hospitalize mentally ill New Yorkers who cannot meet their own basic needs such as food, shelter or medical care.

  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
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    1 day ago

    There are no mental health professionals that arrive on the scene. It could be EMT, firefighters, or police that initiate contact. None of the above are mental health professionals.

    THIS IS PART OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE lol.

    I didn’t suggest that people are locked up for “simply for missing their rent”. Never once did I suggest people are locked up permanently.

    Ah youre right, sorry that’s the other delusional person in here making the same arguments as you.

    • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
      3·
      1 day ago

      They still aren’t mental health professionals. A cop/etc. with a little training is not a replacement for a psychiatrist or other mental health professional. The bar for being even a therapist is very high in the US. There is absolutely no comparison to be made here between their level of education and training.

      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
        15·
        1 day ago

        They are going to be mental health professionals, that’s the point. They’re not going to be “cops with a little training”.

        • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
          2·
          1 day ago

          Are they getting a Masters? That’s what a therapist needs. A bachelors? An associate degree?

          None of the above? Then, they are not mental health professionals, and they are not qualified to identify mental illness.

          • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
            14·
            1 day ago

            Cool, and do you know that the ones that this new process is going to use aren’t mental health professionals? The change is specifically so untrained police officers with guns aren’t being sent in to mental health emergencies because they acknowledge that they are not what is needed.

            • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
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              1 day ago

              The article doesn’t specify, it only specifies additional training for law enforcement officers, but I highly doubt it will be the case that educated professionals go on the scene. The various mentions of first responders reads as first responders to me.

              Democratic officials nationwide have increasingly embraced civil commitments in recent years as a way to address the colliding crises of homelessness, mental illness and crime in their communities.

              You can’t solve homelessness and crime with involuntary commitment. This is woefully ineffective policy, no matter how you cut it.

              • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
                13·
                1 day ago

                You can’t solve homelessness and crime with involuntary commitment. This is woefully ineffective policy, no matter how you cut it.

                This isn’t attempting to solve homelessness or crime lol

                The various mentions of first responders reads as first responders to me

                “First responders” simply means the first people on the scene. Those people have generally always been police, which critics have long said are not the correct people for this job. This is going to change that.

                • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                  19 hours ago

                  Damn, here you are with all the gotchas. That’s it, I concede the debate. You win. Congratulations to FreedomAdvocate for successfully arguing for the involuntary commitment of individuals accused of no crime.