Forcing someone to do something against their will, only makes them resent it more generally. There is no way to actually push anyone left. You can only lead them there. And only by example. It will always be their choice to follow or not.
For as much as the left likes to lament that Democrats could win if they just embraced the left. The left has never shown that. Which is silly considering how much everyone hates both regular options generally. A group running to support their communities in local office and not some “party”. Would seem a really popular in the face of it.
I disagree, I think people can be pushed leftward. I do think they can be lead there but, that includes cultural topics of discussion. It would be nice if the person persuading is an example but, I disagree with it being only by example.
I agree, it will always be their choice but, I think that ignores the meme. The left would have to persuade people with rhetoric. Those people would then be more inclined to vote for a leftist candidate.
I believe not talking about culture war topics denies the use of that rhetorical tool.
They have indeed, which is why the Democrats now rig their primaries and have argued in court publicly that it’s their right to do so. The problem here is Democratic corruption is valued more than leftward movement. It was the leftist wing of the party that got Obama nominated and ruined the first crowning of Hillary Clinton too, before they opted to start rigging primaries. (Granted, they were sold a rotten bill of goods.)
How else was Harris going to be a candidate if it wasn’t rigged?
Further, I’d say take a look at Missouri, which went red while voting for state constitutional amendments that further the Bernie platform: $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, and repealing an abortion ban.
This is exactly how delusional so many are. That you seriously imply that the 2024 election was some Machiavellian scheme to force Harris on everyone. Instead of ineptitude and failure on every front by the Democrats.
Even more absurd for the fact that you didn’t name the so-called leftist threat that a ringer like Harris was brought in to defeat lol. Not that you could. 90% of the people didn’t even know the name of anyone who ran in the few little primary races that they had before biden said that he was staying in.
It’s not at all unusual for the party not too primary the incumbent officer if they desire to run again. And while this situation was slightly unprecedented. It is not at all that unreasonable or unusual to consider the vice president as the successor. Again still total incompetent on the Democrats part. But not some Globe spanning conspiracy.
Why? Are cultural topics not what people vote on?
They shouldn’t be. But it is what many have substituted in place of being informed on the issues.
They shouldn’t but, they do.
So I guess my question is, how does this rhetoric push liberals/conservatives left?
Forcing someone to do something against their will, only makes them resent it more generally. There is no way to actually push anyone left. You can only lead them there. And only by example. It will always be their choice to follow or not.
For as much as the left likes to lament that Democrats could win if they just embraced the left. The left has never shown that. Which is silly considering how much everyone hates both regular options generally. A group running to support their communities in local office and not some “party”. Would seem a really popular in the face of it.
I disagree, I think people can be pushed leftward. I do think they can be lead there but, that includes cultural topics of discussion. It would be nice if the person persuading is an example but, I disagree with it being only by example.
I agree, it will always be their choice but, I think that ignores the meme. The left would have to persuade people with rhetoric. Those people would then be more inclined to vote for a leftist candidate.
I believe not talking about culture war topics denies the use of that rhetorical tool.
They have indeed, which is why the Democrats now rig their primaries and have argued in court publicly that it’s their right to do so. The problem here is Democratic corruption is valued more than leftward movement. It was the leftist wing of the party that got Obama nominated and ruined the first crowning of Hillary Clinton too, before they opted to start rigging primaries. (Granted, they were sold a rotten bill of goods.)
How else was Harris going to be a candidate if it wasn’t rigged?
Further, I’d say take a look at Missouri, which went red while voting for state constitutional amendments that further the Bernie platform: $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, and repealing an abortion ban.
You are a perfect example.
This is exactly how delusional so many are. That you seriously imply that the 2024 election was some Machiavellian scheme to force Harris on everyone. Instead of ineptitude and failure on every front by the Democrats.
Even more absurd for the fact that you didn’t name the so-called leftist threat that a ringer like Harris was brought in to defeat lol. Not that you could. 90% of the people didn’t even know the name of anyone who ran in the few little primary races that they had before biden said that he was staying in.
It’s not at all unusual for the party not too primary the incumbent officer if they desire to run again. And while this situation was slightly unprecedented. It is not at all that unreasonable or unusual to consider the vice president as the successor. Again still total incompetent on the Democrats part. But not some Globe spanning conspiracy.