• grte@lemmy.ca
    11814·
    12 days ago

    I wonder what all the people who shamed 3rd party voters will say if establishment Democrats start throwing their support behind an independent Cuomo.

    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
      749·
      12 days ago

      This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I’m not and have not been a fan of Harris. She’s still not Trump.

      Edit: While I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) it was always true that third party vote was going to help Trump get in, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.

      • Fredselfish@lemmy.world
        23·
        12 days ago

        That only works when running for president. Running third party in every other election is what we should be doing. Bernie Sanders is a independent. He preached on that but nobody fucking listens. Instead they think we can fix the Democratic Party (we can’t) Like police reform can’t be done.

        You have to build something NEW from the ground up. Why every local election we should be running candidates with a new party. One that actually stands for the people. Once we take over all the states. Then and only then do we run for president.

      • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
        85·
        11 days ago

        If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.

        Oh my god I feel this so much.

        Did you take a stand and stick to principles? Yes! Congratulations. But if you cannot accept that in doing so, you effectively voted for whatever you felt the majority of votes would go to.

        I am related to several people who voted 3rd party, are adamant they did nothing to assist Trump getting elected, but ALSO hold the opinion that congressional members who vote “present” instead of yes or no are cowards hiding behind a “no vote” because they want the majority to win but they don’t want to be on record for it.

        What is a 3rd party vote if not “present”?

        Lol I say I agree and I get shit on

        • Saleh@feddit.org
          72·
          11 days ago

          The problem is that by reinforcing the narrative you reinforce the two party system. Noone believes in a third party so a third party cannot gain critical momentum because of people saying not to believe in a third party.

          Repeating this mantra at every point makes it dogmatic to ensure the Democrats not faving any accountability for being a far right party with some gay rights sprinkled in between (but only if these arent inconvenient to uphold).

          We have the same issue in proportional systems with a minimum votr to enter parliament. The threshold is lower but the game is the same. The old parties will always band together to fight any new party that could emerge and require them to deal with people they havent brought in line of the donor class yet.

    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
      191·
      12 days ago

      I say Democrats should be reformed in the primary, voted for in the election. The time to support Mamdani as a Democrat is now. (Billionaires like Ackman, Bloomberg aren’t real Republicans or Democrats anyway, they just have a lot of money and they want to back a horse that will let them keep it). The time to bring about a change in Democratic candidates ahead of the midterms (if they happen) and next general is now. In 2~4 years, it will then be time to vote in whoever’s been put forward as the best chance to stop fascism.

    • ViatorOmnium@piefed.socialEnglish
      15·
      12 days ago

      Schumer already did a kind of shy endorsement of Mamdani, after that the others politicians don’t have much room to stab the party in the back. The problem here are the donors; oligarchs are pissed.

      My current bet would be that Cuomo will leave his name in the ballot out of spite but not really campaign, and lots of right wing Democrats will stay silent, while the oligarchs will try to resurrect Adams’ political career by throwing money at it (may all their donations burn into a pile of useless ash)

    • notabot@piefed.socialEnglish
      2314·
      12 days ago

      The same as before, that you made your choice to hand the White House to trump rather than a Democrat you didn’t agree with. It’s the same story down the ticket too. The Democrats may have run a lousy campaign, with poor candidates, but we all knew what the alternative was, and some ostensably left wing voters chose not to oppose that.

      • Saleh@feddit.org
        82·
        11 days ago

        The same story down the ticket is that Democrats feel entitled to progressives votes and conitnously adjust to be just slightly better than Republicans.

        As you saw they rather handed the country to Trump than stop a genocide and aclnowledge the cost of living crisis.

        You have no power to reward people that feel entitled to your vote. You only have the power to punish them.

        • notabot@piefed.socialEnglish
          24·
          11 days ago

          You didn’t “punish” them in the slightest, they’re not the ones who will suffer, you punished everyone else instead by deliberately acting to boost the republicans.

          To be clear, this is not a good, or even acceptable situation, but it is the reality. Each voter had the choice to accept that reality and work within it to seek out the least bad result or vote as if their fantasy was true, and aid the republucans.

          The time for trying to change the Democrat positions is every other day, not on the day of a massively consequential election.

          • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            42·
            11 days ago

            Leftists didn’t lose Kamala the election. Leftists held their nose and voted for her haughty ass anyway. She was such an uninspiring candidate that less ideological voters, those that you have to actually try to come out, simply weren’t energized by her.

            She didn’t lose because of Leftists staying home. She lost because she was uninspiring and didn’t stand for anything. She simply didn’t have the sauce.

    • Breezy@lemmy.world
      76·
      12 days ago

      They’ll say they’re cool with rape. Isnt that what Cuomo is in trouble for?