These are people who would have never, ever voted for Trump, but billions of dollars are being spent by the Democrats to slaughter our loved ones and our families. Israel has been decimating south Lebanon, where many of our relatives live, and now this administration is deploying US troops to the Middle East. Not exactly a winning strategy if they actually want our votes.
Some people think of a Trump vote as a protest vote. I have heard arguments being made along the lines of “Trump is not the person who is committing the genocide right now” or “Well, we didn’t have any wars under Trump”. I personally disagree with this, and consider Trump to be a fascist and fearmonger who deeply traumatised our communities during his presidency. He was a hateful leader who slammed the door on refugees by implementing a Muslim ban. While he didn’t start any wars, he did escalate existing wars in the Middle East and vetoed a series of bipartisan bills that aimed at prohibiting arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
I don’t at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans? Trump has said he would wholeheartedly take Israel’s side and provide more support than the current administration. There isn’t a choice between what you have and what you want. It’s between what you have and something worse than what you have.
Trump winning doesn’t force Democrats to support Gazans. It forces them to side with Israel in order to appeal to the electorate.
I don’t at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans
the point is that neither trump or kamala support gazans despite whatever they say and expecting a group with the closest proximity to the genocide to accept your view that one genocide is better than the other is privilege at its worst.
There isn’t a choice
Agreed, and that makes people not know how to act, because there is no reasonable way to act.
Maybe killing innocent people is wrong, and people shouldn’t do that.
This is some weapons grade stupidity. Virtually all the pols in DC are responsible for spending to support Israel. To try and suggest that it’s only the dems doing it is disingenuous at best. And whatever you think Harris will do when it comes to Israel, Trump is guaranteed to do far, far worse.
Trump to Israel: “You have to finish up your war. You have to finish it up. You’ve got to get it done,”
And whatever you think Harris will do when it comes to Israel, Trump is guaranteed to do far, far worse.
I have Ukrainian heritage, although I am a third-generation immigrant elsewhere. I have to ask myself, would I be able to grasp this point if I lived in a country where both parties funded Russia to invade Ukraine? I probably wouldn’t, because people are dead, and my family is still being killed.
Tell me: what is worse than that?
Voting for someone who will actively help kill your relatives, and then likely try to deport you personally from this country, would be worse.
i’m related to people who literally snuck across the mexican border themselves escaping their own violence and they full heartidly support trump and his efforts to close the border and turn away asylum seekers.
talk to any latino over the age of 50; especially mexican-americans protestants or cubano expats in florida and you’ll find that they’re a huge minority if not the majority.
it doesn’t matter where you come from or how you got here; the only thing that matters is what’s in your head today and it’s very easy to manipulate that.
your family’s death is going to be in your head today and the off chance of getting deported tomorrow is a second thought at best; especially when you don’t believe that it can happen to you.
The logical thing to do then. Well as logical as that situation gets, is just to not vote. Punishing one politician by voting for another that’s worse on every policy. Sends mixed to no message at all. And is just irrational self injuring flailing. But humans are very skilled at being irrational.
the logical thing to do is to understand where people are at right now; not where you want them to be or believe where they should be.
succumbing the pressures levied upon us has pressured us away from trying to understand our fellow countrymen and turned the american political discourse into little more than looking for an opportunity to dunk on your opponent or running into defeatist straw men like the one you’ve shared.
carving out the tiniest of releaf cuts from that pressure lays bare the reasons why kamala and trump are at 50/50 despite literally billions of dollars and generations of liberalization that should be helping kamala more.
Funny that you hypocritically whine about strawman when you start out with one. It is your MO though.
Understanding “where they are”, doesn’t make their actions any more logical or less self-harming. And implying that someone who calls their actions illogical and self-harming doesn’t know where they are coming from. Well if that’s your best argument, and it is. It’s pretty laughable.
what straw man was presented here?
Trump
In this situation, you don’t want Trump to be elected.
I don’t want my family to be dead, but they are already dying.
Forgive me but, in that case, I would very likely think you were being ignorant.
Ah, so you are Russian. If you were Ukrainian and wanted your family to stop dying, then you wouldn’t be pro Trump.
I don’t think you’re very good at reading, or diagnosing nationality.
Killing innocent people is wrong and upsets people. Reacting to that with “you’re being silly” or “you’re a hostile actor trying to destabilise the world” comes across as extremely obtuse.
Let us imagine I am being told that I can vote for Party A, which will hasten to support the hostile government of another country to kill my family in (let’s say) 12 months. Or I can vote for Party B, which will put the breaks on so that it happens in 24 months, and they will also keep saying how unacceptable that is.
Is that really a choice?
I hear you on feeling like the lesser of two wrongs isn’t a choice.
But, if you had a choice between the two. Would you prefer to poke out an eye or burn a finger?
Both options being bad doesn’t mean they’re equally bad. And sometimes we really do have to choose between the better of two bad options.
That’s just life.
I don’t think either choices are comparable to widespread death of innocents.
Looks like the zio astroturfers found your article, incoming downvotes
I don’t at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans?
the point is that neither trump or kamala support gazans despite whatever they say and expecting a group with the closest proximity to the genocide to accept your view that one genocide is better than the other is privilege at its worst.
You replied to the wrong person, just so you know. You meant to reply to Kethal on this comment: https://alx.lemmy.blahaj.zone/lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/11244289
thanks; i posted to the right one.
