Learned about it from this episode of the Team Human podcast
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
It’s not like they have to come out and tell the media, oh, we approve of our more sort of confrontational colleagues. They just keep quiet. They just keep quiet.
Understanding that a range of tactics is probably going to be necessary. Nobody really knows what’s going to work. But if everybody’s pushing back against a particularly violent state, then everybody’s really on the same side.
And fascism respects neither. We didn’t sternly write letters to Mussolini’s death, did we? We didn’t protest Hitler to death? No, you pacifist dumb fucks, we killed them to death.
Passivist or pacifist, it doesn’t matter, both have no place when addressing fascism.
This is why it has come crawling back from the roach-infested shadows globally in Europe and the USA, we stopped at killing their leadership instead of also punishing their supporters.
Oi, stop criticizing other leftists. Read the top level post again.
I’m disabled as fuck and likely won’t be chinning any fascists anytime soon, but I’m damn well gonna cheer when others do.
Being disabled does not stop morbidly obese MAGA from practicing at the range.
I’m also disabled and still make time to shoot. Tired of reading excuses from my team on the Left.
And there’s NOTHING wrong with being critical of your own team. You all just aren’t used to people being critical of you, because we are infested with people who are always pearl-clutching pathetic losers.
I’m a double stroke victim! I cannot operate a gun! I can barely fucking walk, let alone fight.
And in fighting fascism, specializations are necessary! No military is made of exclusively combat roles! Let me keep recruiting and agitating. It’s what I’m good at and it helps the cause.
Apologies for riling you up like this. You are correct.
When you discredit publicly to the point you tarnish reputations to the point of changing electoral decisions that help fascists win, you’re complicit in that.
We can hold ourselves to account to be better, but being more critical of like minded folk than fascists is dumb. We apply pressure where it’ll be effective, such as primaries or selection contests so the best candidates win.
People across the world are overwhelmingly voting in people who are pro Christian fascist. I dont know how else to drill this into all of your lazy pacifist minds that this shit doesn’t work with them, they (fascists) only respect violence
Me?! I’m not in America.
What have you done in this regard?
You’ve learned nothing.
You’ve taught nothing. Great job contributing to this discussion. /s
There were plenty of pacifists that stood up to fascists.
The White Rose is a good example of one. The members were executed by guillotine.
Killing kids looks horrible and no doubt cost the nazi some political capital. Nonviolent resistance works just as well as other types. Non-violent and violence working together can produce great things.
White Rose didn’t ultimately stop fascists, in fact it was a literal fucking bullet from an anti-fascist from the Allied combined arms militaries that stopped the fascists from gaining momentum and caused Hitler to kill Hitler.
My wife’s grandfather considered himself a pacifist. He drove a tank as part of the liberation of France. He also sometimes snuck up on Nazi positions, punched their lights out, and hauled them back as prisoners.
In the years before he died, he was known to say “what do you mean don’t punch Nazis? What else are they good for?”
I was honored to be a pallbearer at his funeral.
Pacifism can be flexible, which I personally think is the only way pacifism makes sense.
“He also sometimes snuck up on Nazi positions, punched their lights out”
What you just wrote is literally and factually the polar fucking opposite of pacifism.
Not to him. His viewpoint is that he wasn’t going to kill them, but there’s flexibility beyond that.
I think it’s time for you to step aside and read the definition of pacifism and try again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism
If you’re so upset as to be against pacifists who DO punch Nazis, you’re too immature and too much of a twat to help the left at all. Fucking grow up and stop being a useless cunt.
Pacifists who punch Nazis simply is self contradictory. It is like a virgin who had sexual relationships. It simply contradicts itself.
Somebody who chose to punch Nazis instead of killing them is hesitant to killing people, but he isn’t a pacifist.
Also it is problematic to say that Pacifism would entail anything but killing people, because that will mean anyone who does not call themselves pacifist would be easily equated to be a killer.
There are many versions of pacifism, just like there are many versions of leftism. Maybe step aside and have a broader view?
Fair point.
So what are you going to do about it huh! Im here being nonviolent and your pussy ass just takes it. Wheres your big tough violence now. Im gonna be doing it this saturday do. Im gonna be all up in your face not hurting folks and you are to much a chicken to stop me! /s but seriously dude I doubt your going to get pacifists to go to the gun range.
You’re correct, but at least I’m trying to make people realize fascists dont respect our current efforts, and never will. We cant see change in our lifetimes with this trajectory.
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