Tldr lower. So thereās (yet again) another flurry of communities that are all crossposting each otherās content with this hentai stuff.
Aside from a lot of this being made with AI, it is in essence soft porn and I donāt want it in /all.
I usually write a comment under such posts saying
Set your comm to NSFW pls
Rarely the mod write āDoneā and thatās it. Often it is downvoted, and now itās also just removed by mod for (I wouldnāt know the reason as itās on a different instance to mine)
https://lemmy.world/post/33972247
TLDR; I donāt want my all feed to be a soft porn feed, is there anyway of not having these hentai soft porn communities in all, apart from individually blocking them (which doesnāt really work, as they keep making more communities).
Okay sure, but why are we considering the people who donāt want to see that content as worth less than the people who do? For that matter, why is engagement more important to you than curating an appreciative audience? People are railing against people that downvote in /all as well, but whatās the alternative to express that they donāt want to see that content - blocking entire instances is an overly broad approach except in some specific cases (lemmy.nsfw for example) and blocking community by community is exhausting, given how many new highly specific āanime moe tiddy thigh-gap colored hairā communities crop up daily. Downvoting expresses disinterest, and itās apparently common enough to see things youāre not interested in that ānot downvoting in /allā is being pushed as basic courtesy. Asking them to tag things NSFW, or even just bringing out a different tag that isnāt blocked by default (which god, we really need even if just for spoilers) is a perfectly valid request that at the very least solves the downvoting problem, among others (itās hard to bring on new users when a site gets a reputation for being overrun with anime fanservice communities, for example)
Why are people who want to see the content worth less than the ones who donāt? Anyone can block content. No-one is likely to find content they donāt even know is there.
What is the difference between engagement and an appreciative audience? I aim to minimize the number of people I offend, while maximizing the people I reach. Whatās wrong with that? What more can I do?
The only certain way to offend no-one, even if I marked every single post nsfw, is to stop posting entirely.
I keep seeing this argument. What new communities? With a couple exceptions, I run them! I havenāt made a new one in over a year, and Iāve only recently had to add half a dozen new entries to my list.
Several clients offer word filtering. Asking for the feature in lemmy itself is fine, and something I fully support.
Oh boy am I not up for dealing with a point-by-point right now, so in no particular order:
Engagement is any interaction, including viewing, from a user. An appreciative audience is one that wants to view it. Why is Thighdeology marked nsfw on reddit, yet still a hugely popular subreddit, but somehow that would be a deathknell for it to be the same on lemmy? Your list includes none of the many AI-specific anime art communities that are out there, I think you need to be a bit more proactive in your browsing. Asking people to specify every word they donāt want to be exposed to is absurd, when thereās already one single and very easy to append word - NSFW - that you are ardently rejecting on the basis that it would damage your interactions.
Additionally people shouldnāt have to expose themselves to everything they donāt want to be exposed to before they can block it - thereās no way to know about something without interacting with it, but if you donāt want sexualized (but arguably non-explicit) images of anime girls in your feed, youād have to go through and view a bunch of them before you can block it. Surely you can see how thatāsā¦ pretty ridiculous? Potentially very demeaning?
I donāt maximize for that. The only āengagementā I actively look for is the positive kind. You think I wouldnāt start marking things nsfw if it got a ton downvotes when I didnāt?
Currently, the reality is the other way around. Pointlessly tagged posts receive significantly less votes, because people looking for porn donāt vote, and people browsing normally, are less likely to check a post tagged nsfw.
Critical mass. Tons of things are a death-knell to fediverse activity simply because it is tiny. Reddit can support a shitload of duplicate communities any one of which outweighs the single equivalent fediverse community by orders of magnitude.
I actively refuse to engage with AI content. There are active communities besides [email protected] that arenāt on porn instances?
Finding a common word used in content you donāt like is no harder that blocking. The feature becoming generally available would allow us to implement arbitrary tags. Why does this suggestion offend you? Itās a genuine win-win solution.
Thatās true for any category of content. Are you saying anime girls are somehow inherently bad or damaging to users, as compared to for example sports content?
I blocked music content from my feed this way. Should I feel demeaned for having been made to see things other people enjoy, but I donāt care for?
Okay, but then can you stop trying to use people talking about communities which include the ones you donāt want to engage with as a way to dismiss their claims as blown out of proportion? Maybe theyāre just not talking about your content, or your content is being lumped in with the AI slop since thereās so much of it, and anime AI is getting so good these days you canāt tell at a casual glance.
You literally do, though. You just said you do. Everyone does, god knows I do, but I have the courtesy to marking my NSFW as NSFW since Iām confident that people who are interested in my content can just look it up. I donāt know why you think the people interested in your content canāt do the same, especially when you curate an extremely helpful list of communities related to the topic.
See, I donāt even care about this (beyond that I think the culture of ridiculously exploitative depictions of women in anime being defended as ānot technically pornā is the root of some incredibly toxic aspects of modern culture, which is a completely separate issue I admit) itās just bizarre how hostile people are to being asked to use the one tool we have to separate content.
(edit: also youāre trying to conflate adult-targeted content with a long and entrenched history of sexism with music preferences, and I know you know thatās a false equivalency. sheesh.)
No I donāt and no I didnāt. I donāt get downvotes and reports and go āyesss, views and engagementā. Each time I have, Iāve reconsidered my posts in an effort to not have that happen again.
Your apparent assumption that I donāt care whether content is seen by people who want to see it, is entirely on you. I do care.
But the only way to ensure no-one who doesnāt want to see it, sees it, is not to post. So yeah, Iām ok with some minority of people being put off.
Do you have an example beyond the one I made it clear Iām aware of? I block these too. Theyāre not popping up every day, which was your point.
Did you miss the part where I said I do the same? Iām simply do not agree that there is any level of sense in filing the entire ecategory of anime content on lemmy, under nsfw. That is completely insane. Itās an art medium, not a pornhub genre.
Iām not sure where to even begin unpacking the prejudice towards anime-fans here. Sure there are issues, but come on. This isnāt argument. The only reason to include this thought is to reveal how little you think of me because of something I like.
Because it doesnāt work. The NSFW toggle is used to tag porn, spoilers, nsfl, and many other things, yet at the same time a ton of people use and expect it to work the way ānot safe for workā implies. Itās a mess. We need arbitrary tagging.
In the meantime using it more than necessary DOES slow down the already glacial growth of federated social media. Thatās a fact, not an opinion. Suggesting it should be applied to an entire fucking fandom is not far off wishing that that the entire fandom not be allowed on the fediverse. And no, āit works fine for pornā is not a counter-argument. People looking for porn arenāt going to be avoiding the nsfw tag. Theyāll head straight for it. Would you like to guess what they do if they find one of my communities instead of actual porn? They downvote.
What long entrenched history of sexism? Weeb=sexist now? It seems to me you genuinely hate us. As a whole and individually. You want me hidden more than necessary because apparently the things Iām into make me sexist or worse. And/or my sharing the things Iām into, spreads this sexism, and worse.
Seriously, are you actually claiming that having to view a couple anime girls before blocking the relevant communities, for which a convenient list is provided, is so dangerous and corrupting that it warrants the āwarning labelā that is nsfw being applied to every single related post?