Increasingly, mainstream Democrats have sought to carve out a space for “acceptable” Zionism by saying that they support Israel but oppose Bibi Netanyahu. But the horrors of Gaza are a result of processes far more vast than one right-wing leader.
Finally, the global political community starts to push back against Israel’s genocidal expansionism. A little.
The sheer fact that it took them almost 2 years and massive protests to find some of their humanity again is in itself quite depressing, but hey, it’s better than nothing.
But right now it feels that at best we’ll be returning to the status quo as it was before Trump 1.0, before Netanyahu went full mask off.
As it was for decades:
Mild criticism of Israel to keep them in check and suitable for polite society, but never enough to actually solve the Palestine problem once and for all, never enough to actually stop Israel from expanding more-or-less aggressively. Tacit agreement by only stepping in when it becomes too … disgusting?
I truly hope there’s an actual solution somewhere on the horizon. This has been going on since 1948, it’s time wouldn’t you think.
Hamas has often been the roadblock for getting a two state setup sorted. I mean, the chant “From the River to the Sea” is about the Jordan river, and includes all of Israel – it’s legit a call for the extermination of all Israeli Jews. Hamas has pretty clearly not been in favour of a two state solution, ever. Like, the Oslo accords fell apart due to failures from both the Israeli govt and the Palestinian Authority – it’s hard to blame just Israel, when Hamas was busy assassinating people involved in the peace talks.
Doesn’t excuse what Israel’s doing to civilians currently though, nor how they’ve generally treated the Palestinian population for decades.
Another note worth highlighting, is that the ‘world response’ is largely one that eyes the USA with caution. The US govt prioritizes Israel’s interests even over their own citizens, with Trump commenting on FEMA aid being denied for any state that’s off-message on the ongoing conflict. Trump even jacked up tariffs on Canada just because the PM said he might recognise Palestine (if a bunch of impossible conditions were met). The US president isn’t exactly subtle when he tweets shit like this. Imagine what the USA would do if other countries tried to take actual military action (blockades, or deploying UN peacekeepers or whatnot) to stop Israel from committing genocide – cause that’s what it realistically would’ve taken to stop them.
Hell, Israel has nukes. That’s more than most other countries. There’s this fun conspiracy theory I’ve heard that Israel managed to get some smaller nukes into America at some point, and basically has a ‘quiet understanding’ with the USA that if Israel goes down, they’ll detonate nukes in key points in America. It’d help explain America’s capitulation to Israel, though I think it’s a bit far fetched – the more likely reason is prolly more mundane, like campaign money/financing and regular corruption.
Finally, the global political community starts to push back against Israel’s genocidal expansionism. A little.
The sheer fact that it took them almost 2 years and massive protests to find some of their humanity again is in itself quite depressing, but hey, it’s better than nothing.
But right now it feels that at best we’ll be returning to the status quo as it was before Trump 1.0, before Netanyahu went full mask off.
As it was for decades:
Mild criticism of Israel to keep them in check and suitable for polite society, but never enough to actually solve the Palestine problem once and for all, never enough to actually stop Israel from expanding more-or-less aggressively. Tacit agreement by only stepping in when it becomes too … disgusting?
I truly hope there’s an actual solution somewhere on the horizon. This has been going on since 1948, it’s time wouldn’t you think.
2 years? I think you mean 60.
I don’t think you understood my comment, or stopped reading too early.
Hamas has often been the roadblock for getting a two state setup sorted. I mean, the chant “From the River to the Sea” is about the Jordan river, and includes all of Israel – it’s legit a call for the extermination of all Israeli Jews. Hamas has pretty clearly not been in favour of a two state solution, ever. Like, the Oslo accords fell apart due to failures from both the Israeli govt and the Palestinian Authority – it’s hard to blame just Israel, when Hamas was busy assassinating people involved in the peace talks.
Doesn’t excuse what Israel’s doing to civilians currently though, nor how they’ve generally treated the Palestinian population for decades.
Another note worth highlighting, is that the ‘world response’ is largely one that eyes the USA with caution. The US govt prioritizes Israel’s interests even over their own citizens, with Trump commenting on FEMA aid being denied for any state that’s off-message on the ongoing conflict. Trump even jacked up tariffs on Canada just because the PM said he might recognise Palestine (if a bunch of impossible conditions were met). The US president isn’t exactly subtle when he tweets shit like this. Imagine what the USA would do if other countries tried to take actual military action (blockades, or deploying UN peacekeepers or whatnot) to stop Israel from committing genocide – cause that’s what it realistically would’ve taken to stop them.
Hell, Israel has nukes. That’s more than most other countries. There’s this fun conspiracy theory I’ve heard that Israel managed to get some smaller nukes into America at some point, and basically has a ‘quiet understanding’ with the USA that if Israel goes down, they’ll detonate nukes in key points in America. It’d help explain America’s capitulation to Israel, though I think it’s a bit far fetched – the more likely reason is prolly more mundane, like campaign money/financing and regular corruption.
Fuck off
What a rollercoaster of a comment - ending in conspiracy fairyland.
I didn’t read past the second sentence
Yep, that almost made me reply to them directly, but what would be the point when you already said it so succinctly.