• potatopotato@sh.itjust.works
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    7 hours ago

    Why is fucking Newsom, the most neoliberal establishment motherfucker to ever walk the earth, the first Dem to figure out you can take these assholes down by just using their tactics against them?

    It’s like if Pelosi just walked down onto the the chamber floor and just started yelling “okay boomer” every time someone tried to talk, while going the fortnight dance.

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      I don’t know, I think Tim Waltz figured it out and then the Harris campaign shut him down. The whether or not it works or not I’m not sure. Certainly doesn’t look like anything’s been taken down.

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        TL;DR: calling fascists weird was and is EXTREMELY effective messaging and pivoting away from it was probably one of the top reasons for Trump being able to infest the white house again.

        I think Tim Waltz figured it out and then the Harris campaign shut him down

        100%. Without a shadow of a doubt. Never underestimate the ability of the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in order to please the owner donors and/or uphold arbitrary institutional norms.

        The whether or not it works or not I’m not sure.

        It ABSOLUTELY worked. Harris/Walz were far ahead in the polls while they were still calling weirdos weird and then they nosedived when they switched from that to the 1992 playbook.

        The Trump messaging works by convincing people that the fascists are the only normal ones/the in group in a world taken over by abnormal and immoral people of the out groups

        Even SUGGESTING that they might be just another out group rather than the only in group weakens the “everything our Dear Leaders say or do is correct because it’s against the weirdos” narrative and more importantly the feeling of belonging and of being on the right side of history that the leaders of the cult has instilled in the followers.

        Regular people have no problem being called weird (in fact, a lot of us actively celebrate our weirdness), but a fascist movement simply falls apart without the solid conviction that they’re the only sane and normal ones.

        This went a little longer than I intended, so I’ll add a TL;DR at the top lol

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      6 hours ago

      Just give me a fucking fair primary, please. I’m going to lose my goddamn mind if they ram Newsom through like they did with Clinton and Biden.

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        It depends on how much contempt they have for electorate. And their propensity to learn anything.

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          So in other words, Newsom IS going to be the nominee unless Hakeem Jeffries somehow becomes presidential material by developing a personality between now and 2028.

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            Personally I hope he Jeb!s the primary. The republican electorate very quickly figured out when an establishment candidate was being rammed through and rejected it spectacularly. Let’s hope the Dems follow suit this time. There’s still a lot of time between now and the primary.