Jerry Seinfeld likened the Free Palestine movement to the Ku Klux Klan — even saying those who use the phrase “Free Palestine” are worse than the white supremacist group — at a student event at Duke University meant to honor hostages who are being held in Gaza.
Seinfeld spoke at the school in Durham, North Carolina, to introduce a former Israeli hostage, Omer Shem Tov, when he made the remarks, according to the university’s student newspaper, The Duke Chronicle. He reportedly started by saying, in reference to the Free Palestine activist movement, “Just say you don’t like Jews.”
“By saying ‘Free Palestine,’ you’re not admitting what you really think. So it’s actually — compared to the Ku Klux Klan, I’m actually thinking the Klan is actually a little better here, because they can come right out and say, ‘We don’t like Blacks, we don’t like Jews.’ Okay, that’s honest,'" the Chronicle reported Seinfeld said.
Agreed. So Hamas needs to surrender or be eliminated.
What Israel is doing with blocking humanitarian aid and having seemingly zero care about civilian casualties is abhorrent. But this only ends with the complete destruction of Hamas.
And this kids, is what we call Cognitive Dissonance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Silent part of this abhorrent argument is that as long as at least one Palestinian live, there is no certainty that Hamas was completly destroyed.
No. They could lay down arms, stop firing rockets at Israel, and return hostages. How hard is that to grasp?
They’re murdering children. Go ahead and weasel out of that.
Weasel out of what? I’ve alsready condemned what Israel is doing. Just as I condemn what Hamas is doing. You?
Do you see anyone cheering for Hamas?
Yes, indirectly. Whenever any blame is put on Hamas it gets a barrage of deflection attacking Israeli actions. Some people even outright support Hamas and cite Israel’s actions.
The bottom line is that there is an objectively worse party between the two. They are in the middle of carrying out an active genocide. They’re both terrible organizations, we all understand that. One is systematically starving, imprisoning innocent people on an extremely large scale, including children.
We have nearly every “developed” nation supporting that. People are justifiably vilifying Israel for painfully obvious reasons.
Worse right now yes. But Hamas is purposefully keeping it going too, it’s a pretty close 2nd. Hamas ramped this thing up in the Oct attacks for nothing but for getting social media hits of Gaza civilians getting smoked by Israel’s garunteed response. Hamas purposely put Israel in a position where they’d need to respond brutally. It doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions now of course, but I think Hamas should share more of the responsibility than what posters here seem to realize.
Have you considered that killing people’s children (directly or indirectly through forces like starvation, lack of medical care, etc.) might be one of the best recruitment motivators for Hamas?
Yeah, it’s probably not great for Israel long term. But Hamas will never allow peace while Israel exists. Kinda fucked up all around.
“Not great” you say?
Israel may end up nuked. It seems inevitable at this point. And its like zionists couldnt care less about the danger they put themselves and the rest of the world in.
Seems like the whole world is rushing to wwiii. Fucking cray cray
And Israel could have ended this on October 8 by releasing the thousands Palestinian hostages they were holding without charges, without trial, in prisons treat viciously. Thats what Hamas asked for and why. Hamas took hostages to trade back their people with.
Israel wanted to keep holding people without charge and have a reason to bomb and steal from civilians more than they wanted their own hostages back.
That’s one of the things they asked for. They also demand the elimination of the state of Israel and vowed for there never to be peace until that happened.
Why shouldn’t the genocidal apartheid ethnostate known as israel be eliminated the same way nazi germany was?
Note that Germany wasn’t eliminated. In fact it’s as strong and as large as ever. It was just the government that changed. Yes - I think the right wing Israeli government should be kicked out, either by democracy or external pressure. But that won’t be the end of Israel.
It wasn’t just a mere change in government, it was a complete rebuild of Germany with safeguards put into place to prevent the regrowth of fascism. That is what it meant for nazi germany to have been eliminated, and something similar should happen with israel. The genocide, apartheid, and ethnocentrism has broad support within israel, far beyond just one side of the government, the entire country was founded on these principles. If israel continues to exist, it should exist in name only, because the country as it currently exists is a poison and would be like allowing nazi germany to continue existing.
If I had a shekel for every nonsensical argument Israel frames as “elimination of the state of israel” or “kill us all” or “drive us into the sea”, I’d be a rich person.
Hamas did not demand the elimination of the state of Israel. You’re just making stuff up.
This is why peace negotiations with zionists are so hopeless. You lie about whats going on because you never wanted peace, you just want to not be seen as murderers and thieves. Look at the polls, thats not working. Even in the US. You need to stop digging the hole you are standing in and start being honest here.
It’s in Hamas’ charter. It’s what they chant. I know you don’t want believe that narrative (me neither), but that doesn’t make it less so.
I’m not an Israeli or a Jew or affiliated to any degree except I have some Jewish friends - some who live or who have lived in Israel, just as I have some Palestinian friends. Palestinians that I’ve talked to who are out of the control of Hamas say that Hamas is pure evil. Such Palestinians don’t support the killing of civilians in Gaza any more that I do and they see Israel’s latest policies as abhorrent, as do I. Of course most of them got out of that area of the world when they had a chance because they recognize that there’s too many stubborn assholes on both sides that will never accept any feasible peace despite the incredible harm such a position does.
Militants are on the order of 1 in 40 people in Gaza. Even if they should lay down their arms Israel should still push them off their lands and kill them to make way for illegal settlers as they have been doing
So, with Israel incapable of eliminating Hamas without eliminating Palestinians, I take it you’re in favour of genocide, then?
No.
Do you enjoy debating with strawmen?
It’s the reasonable consequence of what you’re saying. Israel’s war is genocidal - we can all see that, from the absurd number of civilian deaths, to the use of starvation as an indiscriminate weapon, to the statements about mass population removals. Even if you purposefully ignore that reality, only the willfully stupid can deny that Israel’s war is in flagrant breach of the principles of proportionality and discrimination between combatants and non-combatants.
So we start from a position where Israel is committing horrifying war crimes and murdering children every single day in extremely cruel ways.
It is also completely evident that it is impossible to eliminate Hamas. Just like it was impossible to eliminate the Taliban, or Al-Qaida, you can’t destroy a resistance movement by force. You can prevent (some) terrorist attacks committed by those movements by force, but all attempts at destruction result in new recruits, unless you destroy the entire population among which the resistance exists.
So you are saying that “this only ends with the complete destruction of Hamas” which is only possible by the complete destruction of the Palestinian people. You only make demands of Hamas, not of Israel, even though Israel is perpetrating crimes against humanity every single day and has killed orders of magnitude more Palestinian civilians in this war than Hamas did in the instigating event (never mind before 2023). That favours their genocide.
Well written. And I do call for Israel to stop its wonton disregard for civilian safety and their embargo on aid - not that my voice means much. I do avoid the g word because it’s not well defined and I don’t think it’s useful. I agree that Hamas cannot be completely destroyed - but I think the Israeli perspective is that it can be meaningfully reduced so as to provide some period of peace (for Israelis). As unacceptable as it is, their response to the Oct attack will likely dissuade further such actions for a while.
Was Hamas around 70 years ago? Why did they kill Palestinians before Hamas was even created you fucking donkey
There were equivalents.
Whatever makes you feel like a hero, you waste of carbon.
And all this does is continue the cycle. You think these kids are going to grow up and not hat Israel?
Most people in Israel already wear funny little hats ;-)
But seriously, no I don’t think it will work. But it will possibly buy a significant delay. It might help long term if Israel then made huge overtures to improve the quality of life for people in Gaza, to lay out a fair path to dual state solution and stopped pushing settlements (and backed out of many). But of course we know that won’t happen, and even if it did, radicals (on both sides would do their best to scuttle the progress)
Maybe the state of Israel shouldn’t have funded Hamas to break student strikes.
And maybe Israel shouldn’t have funded the potable water systems in Gaza since they were used to make rockets. Things get fucked up in unpredictable ways. Hindsight is 20/20.
Murdering tens of thousands of kids women and non-coms creates millions of people like Hamas. You wouldnt run out of hamas to kill because you are making 10 for every one you kill. Your thinking ends with either the genocide of the Arab world or the Israeli one.
You can end a war by killing an army but you cannot murder an idea or a movement in the same way.
How can you not see peace has to come from different thinking?
They dont want peace. They want land, and they dont consider humans who arent jews to be eligible for basic human rights. Its in the basic laws of their constitution. Its literally what makes Israel “israel”. Racism and supremacy codified into law.
Certainly. But Hamas also has stated unequivocally that it will never allow peace while Israel exists. What can Isreal ever do to get peace?
Cant get peace if you dont try.
I agree. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people in Israel and around the world gave up on peace in our lifetimes after the Oct attacks.
Continue killing combatants while not murdering 2 million people?
That would be ideal. But how feasible is it to kill combatants without any civilian casualties?
Not to justify their actions in any way, but for the sake of honesty, the Israelis haven’t killed anywhere near that many.
Its very much so
If there is one thing we’ve learned over the past 25 years, it’s that there is no such thing as the destruction of a terrorist organization
The more civilians you murder, the more new recruits that terror cell has in their family members
The IDF if fully aware of this. They know they can’t wipe out Hamas. They’re looking to wipe out all Gazans
IRA , Tamil Tigers, That Spanish basque group (eta?). Going further back, the weather underground in the U.S. it’s a mixed bag of negotiations and military/police defeat.
Or the IDF, right?
Sure. But that seems even less likely.
So there are two options, and you just hate Palestinian children?
If it were my choice I’d have everyone lay down their arms immediately and work toward a long term peaceful solution which respect all parties and fairly shares the land. I’d do anything to bring peace and save Palestinian children. But back in the pragmatic world, I can see that Israel isn’t planning on stopping its actions as there’s no incentive (except morals, which don’t seem to matter to them). I dont understand why Hamas doesn’t surrender as continuing gives them nothing, and it enables the continued bloodshed of the civilians in Gaza. I think if global messaging focused more on calling for Hamas to surrender, we might actually get somewhere.
What a complete retard you are.
I know you are, but what am I?