• Vupware@lemmy.zip
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    22 hours ago

    Still seeking confirmation on the Goyper narrative.

    I hate to be that guy, but if we just accept this narrative without proof, we are only slightly better than the people who peddled the minority narrative.

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      22 hours ago

      Your effective confirmation is Fuentes is panicking.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15093321/Nick-Fuentes-Charlie-Kirk-assassination.html

      https://www.pennlive.com/news/2025/09/alt-right-media-star-says-he-is-being-framed-for-the-murder-of-charlie-kirk-in-late-night-x-post.html

      https://www.mediaite.com/politics/nick-fuentes-warns-his-followers-he-will-disown-them-if-they-turn-to-violence-after-kirk-killing/

      … Was Robinson 100% a groyper?

      Well, I don’t know either way with 100% certainty.

      But also we live in a sort of series of pocket universes, competing hyperrealities of ‘truth’.

      Sure, hold yourself to higher truth standards, encourage it… but do not expect others to.

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      15 hours ago

      Somewhat on/off-topic.

      It’s usually irrelevant to focus on the “competition”.

      In business, it makes no sense to focus on the 1% of the population who buys your competitors products instead of yours, because you’re not addressing the 98% who is not buying either.

      The same is true about US politics: The majority are not left or right; They are not voting at all. Claiming that the shooter is either side will be wrong more often than it is true, because there’s only 25% chance of guessing it.

      Who even knows if it’s politically motivated? 4 children were shot at a school simultaneously as the Krik shooting. Nobody asked about the political reasons for that.

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      19 hours ago

      Honestly, it’s starting to feel like only the really good looking shooters get our support.

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      17 hours ago

      Still seeking confirmation on the Goyper narrative.

      I don’t know who started this, but groypers are lazy sacks of pasty bullshit and not a political radicalization group, they’re 4-channers too lazy to have the same level of conviction and principles as actual nazis. Okay so they hated Kirk, so did a lot of people.

      I remember some self-described groypers going to that Charlottesville “unite the right” nazi rally and they were literally fat white kids who started crying when actual violence broke out.

      I don’t like giving attention whores the attention they desperately want and can’t fathom why so many people are attaching to this stunt.

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        16 hours ago

        All of them?

        That seems like something that you cannot possibly know.

        Anecdotally, you saw some “fat white kids” crying, that’s not evidence of anybody’s behavior but their own.

        I agree that we don’t know if he is a groyper, but implying that the group isn’t capable of containing of containing violent individuals is a very naive viewpoint.

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          16 hours ago

          Sure, it’s possible, but it’s absurd to pick one group out of everyone online who could also fit that bill and start spreading it online, especially when said group is literally a group of trolls.

          People really, really want to blame/credit some group because it’s more material, more content, more “something happening” and it’s dumb because there’s no evidence released, no manifesto, nothing reliable and there is a TIDAL WAVE of bullshit being circulated right now. Best to be quiet and wait and read, even then we’ll never know everything.

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            16 hours ago

            There is way too much money on the side of spreading disinformation to know much of what is true. The Groyper angle is possible, but the evidence is thin at best. It doesn’t take much for people to ignore the scarcity of evidence if the story sounds better to them.

            I just meant that online groups contains all kinds of people, and there is no reason to believe that that particular group is free of radical or violent individuals.