• AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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    29 days ago

    My point stands, aligning the damn thing in all directions and managing to integrate it with walls that definitely aren’t straight is a lot of work.

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      29 days ago

      And doors are the hardest part to do that with. A grown man can hold most windows together with their hands whereas no human can by themselves hang a door. It is harder to do doors from scratch than any other normal part of a home’s interior.

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        29 days ago

        I’ve installed hundreds of frames and hung accompanying doors by myself.

        Tools exist for this purpose

        And it’s funny you mention windows by yourself, that’s the one task that actually requires more than one person because of their size… even if you use a crane, there’s a second person for the crane. You also need someone inside to wedge and shim it, while it’s attached from outside, it’s not secured from the inside.

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          29 days ago

          If you are constructing your own frame, which in the USA is going to be wood you don’t need a crane. You only need a crane if you are installing massive windows.

          these homes were built without cranes how do you think they got windows to begin with?

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            29 days ago

            these homes were built without cranes how do you think they got windows to begin with?

            With a crew of 6-12 guys… not by themselves lol.

            Huge bay windows were popular decades ago, but now we know how incredibly inefficient they are, so they use smaller panes and make a design.

            And no, wood frames aren’t used in the us, they rot, almost exclusively vinyl or metal, and if wood, it’s metal clad wood…. Wood expands with the tempature and moisture, cracks windows like nobody’s business. There’s a reason why they haven’t been used for a couple decades now.

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              29 days ago

              Ok you keep talking about modern construction and Im talking historic construction. Not every home had bay windows because many could not afford them. The standard bedroom window in several of my homes over the decades were entirely constructed of wood as metal clad windows weren’t a thing pre-Civil War.

              Im guessing your construction experience is limited to a specific part of the USA and it’s mostly newer construction. Im not talking about those homes.

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                29 days ago

                Unless the building is a registered heritage site, they aren’t going to put the same type of windows back in, they would modernize it, the cost savings on the insulation alone would recoup the cost in less than 10 years.

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                  29 days ago

                  HoAs can require using historic or approved replacement materials.

                  Many cities have warehouses of replacement materials that you can peruse, good will operates some even.

                  I can go get a replacement window for my 1920s home for dirt cheap at the warehouse whereas the replacement modern version is very much not dirt cheap.

                  I can put the old window framed window in by myself in an afternoon.

                  The person you’re talking to is literally saying old hats say the introduction of a modern building technique is amazing, idk why it’s in doubt.

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                    29 days ago

                    If you’re installing old stuff like that, you’re throwing money away… a modern window will pay for itself in a matter of years.

                    It’s not saving money… freaking lol.

                    And modern to ancient, nothing changes, windows still aren’t a solo job, while doors can and are…. Yes you can install a window by yourself, but it’s not the correct way to do it, it takes half a second and the window tips and cracks. You mind as well buy a second while you’re there. Anything is possible, that doesn’t mean that it’s not being an absolute fool to do so.

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                    29 days ago

                    I too prefer drafty homes that you need to pay out the nose to heat or cool…

                    Living in the past ignoring modern convenience’s isn’t a thing to parade around… there’s a reason dedicated heritage sites aren’t just handed out, it requires proper contractors, you can’t do that stuff yourself.

                    Where are you getting your information from? You’re arguing with a red seal carpenter of a couple decades who has worked from modern homes to actual heritage sites where you need to mill down a hand made door to be an EXACT as you can replica.

                    Keeping with the old times isn’t something that’s done unless you got money to burn, or are quite frankly a fool.