• Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
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    3 hours ago

    Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.

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      57 minutes ago

      No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.

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        51 minutes ago

        They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?

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          That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.

          No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.

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            47 minutes ago

            PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.

            So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.

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      3 hours ago

      Both shouldn’t be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.

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        1 hour ago

        All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.

        People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.

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          Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.

          People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.

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            40 minutes ago

            If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?