i can’t even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they’re not quiet now once they get called out

  • ceenote@lemmy.world
    238·
    8 days ago

    “Their votes alone didn’t swing the election” and “Their actions were the opposite of helpful in preventing genocide” can both be true.

    • John Richard@lemmy.world
      2115·
      8 days ago

      The people that was the opposite of helping prevent genocide were Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. That is the truth.

      • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
        1617·
        8 days ago

        Well now you have Trump who will commit additional genocides within our domestic borders on top of all the complete eradication he will directly fund outside of our borders. you definitely showed them libs!

        • Dragonstaff@leminal.spaceEnglish
          1·
          7 days ago

          Question: do you do anything besides voting? Did you phonebank? Canvas? Do you work in your community: volunteer at a soup kitchen, community garden, etc?

          You’re looking for someone to blame, but arguing on the internet isn’t going to solve anything. We have four years to organize, protect, and uplift each other. There are people that need our help.

            • Dragonstaff@leminal.spaceEnglish
              1·
              6 days ago

              That’s the problem with electoralism. Too many people just figure they can turn in a piece of paper every 2-4 years and that will save us from fascism.

              I believe in voting as harm reduction, but nobody is coming to save us.

          • ceenote@lemmy.world
            137·
            8 days ago

            Because we live in the real world where we recognize that Trump or Harris were going to be the next president, and Harris’ ambiguity on Gaza and susceptibility to pressure from Democrat voters is, while not ideal, still better than Trump’s open lust for Muslim blood and complete indifference to what pro-palestinian voters want.

          • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
            55·
            7 days ago

            Because I am not so blinded by my own self-centered, egotistical view of moral purity as to throw away my vote on retaining civilian rights.

    • Dragonstaff@leminal.spaceEnglish
      106·
      8 days ago

      Can it?

      If their votes didn’t swing the election, how were they harmful? Or whatever you mean by “the opposite of helpful”?

      • ceenote@lemmy.world
        86·
        8 days ago

        This is like saying “my vote doesn’t matter, it’s not like the candidate I would have voted for lost by a single vote”

        • Dragonstaff@leminal.spaceEnglish
          51·
          7 days ago

          Notice how you didn’t answer the question?

          We have the benefit of hindsight and they were correct. You just want to pretend that they weren’t.

          • ceenote@lemmy.world
            15·
            7 days ago

            When a better outcome is possible, but fails to happen, everyone who would have preferred it but did nothing to contribute to the effort is at fault. Had Kamala Harris won, a peaceful solution would not yet be achieved, but would still be possible. Now that Donald Trump has won, a peaceful solution is no longer possible. Is that what the people who stayed home or voted Green want?

            Edit: the other stuff I said was kind of mean, so I took it out.

            • Dragonstaff@leminal.spaceEnglish
              11·
              7 days ago

              Liberals are pretending the electoral college doesn’t exist because it destroys your point. In most states, your vote has no chance of affecting the outcome. If California is ever in play, that means Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida are Red and the Republican has already won.

              Swing states voters have a much tougher decision to make, but it still boils down to the same thing: You’re telling voters to vote the way you want them to. If a candidate wants people to vote for them, they have to support issues that they care about.

              The buck stops with Kamala. The number of people who voted blue down the ticket but otherwise at the top shows that. We ran a terrible race, that got going way too late because Biden prevented us from having a real primary. Blaming voters is not a winning strategy. The Dems need to learn their lesson and earn back trust from the working class.

            • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              31·
              7 days ago

              Had Kamala Harris won, a peaceful solution would not yet be achieved, but would still be possible.

              I can’t really prove what would have happened… but that was never going to happen. She was going to keep signing off on weapons shipments and refused to call it genocide.

              She wouldn’t have supported it as much as Trump. But no way was she in favor of a peaceful solution; she was offering a slower genocide.

              We can both do better and expect better.