Iâve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasnât sure how to feel about it.
Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken âfederationâ system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but itâs never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmyâs official docs say you canât even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it wonât actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
So you can only ever have the âaverage joe lemmyâ and âaverage joe redditâ with everything approved by the authorities, and then âtor copies of lemmyâ and âtor copies of redditâ where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But itâs the exact same thing, itâs reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldnât let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they wonât let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
Itâs not actually a solution to reddit. Itâs not designed to be different, itâs designed to match the past today and then match redditâs present tomorrow, while being part of a system thatâs about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, youâre posting somewhere it wonât be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. Thereâs no difference here.
Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.
Edit - I was banned from my instance, and before being unbanned, some of my comments seem to have been removed. I apologize if I hurt anyoneâs feelings, but it seems pointless to try to discuss this topic here. Iâll give a few more replies, and then suggest any further responses be directed to me on nostr, where there are no bans. Iâve also had a good time posting on PieFed while I was banned, so Iâll probably keep spending time there. If anyoneâs curious, I had a thread about this topic on PieFed too. Btw, instead of the misplaced focus on bots, I should have said filter spam, not people earlier in this post.
Incorrect. Twitter, X, and 4chan so far have all been more censored than most places have been throughout human history, contributing to their shithole statuses.
Yes you did.
Didnât ask. Not my problem. Get it looked at by a professional.
Nope.
I donât know, are we? I definitely am.
Yes, I mentioned it earlier in this thread. The person it should be on in this context is you, since youâre the one making the outlandish claims and offering nothing to back them up.
Incorrect. You understood me fine, youâre just pretending otherwise as a form of gaslighting.
My understanding is they mainly use keyboard, mouse, and touchscreen for inputs, while using screens to see what theyâre doing.
Why did you just make me explain that? Dumb as fuck.
Stop putting your own statements in quote marks, itâs weird. And maybe you should stop wasting my time if you canât handle clarifying your own statements.
Incorrect, as I assumed.
What I asked was why waste my time with it when I didnât ask. This doesnât seem like a reason.
Incorrect. Maybe what you mean to say is Iâm one of the few people who still tend to use âliteralâ and âliterallyâ correctly.
You think theyâd somehow be better if they werenât censored? Both Twitter and 4chan have less rules than Reddit or Lemmy.
No, I did not.
You made an accusation, I reject it.
So should I report you? Thatâs usually against instance rules.
What claims have I made? Be specific.
No, you specifically said: âBecause theyâre glowiesâ. No nuance.
What is your definition of âglowieâ here? My understanding is that itâs supposedly an undercover government agent. Got any evidence for this for lemmy.world mods?
Iâll do whatever I like. And I wasnât clarifying my statements, more noting your complaining about being asked to clarify.
No reason to believe they are âpressuredâ. Youâve never backed this up.
You donât really use any words correctly. Theyâre all a bit off.
Not sure what youâre trying to say here. Get better at typing.
Is repeatedly lying making you feel better about any of this?
Sounds like a you problem.
I donât care, but your question baits me to say something you could try to use to justify getting me banned, which sucks. Try asking on nostr, where I canât be banned, if you want my answer.
Didnât ask.
Whatâs in it for me?
To be clear, thatâs a rhetorical question. I understand that you have nothing real to offer anyone.
Misuse of ânoâ since this doesnât change what I said, which is still true.
Also, didnât ask.
The colloquial one, originating from Terry Davis.
Yep.
Do you read what you type?
Didnât ask. You should stop putting your own statements in quote marks, itâs weird.
Again, didnât ask, didnât finish reading this sentence, stopped at âmoreâ since you keep refusing to explain why you wasted time typing things after I waste time reading them and ask why
Incorrect.
Incorrect again.
Incorrect yet again. Iâm basically the most fluent English speaker alive (and quite monolingual).
4chan and Twitter are less censored than Reddit, but even more garbage.
Iâm not lying. You just canât read. I did not imply that nazis would somehow take over and censor a hypothetically unmoderated space.
I donât see how that question baits you.
You keep replying. I obviously donât need to give you anything here.
So as I said: Whereâs your evidence of lemmy.world mods being glowies?
Yes. You did claim that lemmy.world mods are glowies. Source
âSo why do you think lemmy.world has rules beyond just blocking spam?â
âBecause itâs run by glowies, duh.â
Iâll do whatever I like.
Name me these reasons for them being pressured.
You think youâre the best living english speaker on the planet?
âLess censoredâ and âmore garbageâ are both heavily debatable, but why did you bring this up? Whatâs the relevance?
Thatâs why I suggested you try asking on nostr, instead of here. Itâs hard to know the answers to questions youâve asked in places the person youâre asking knows itâs not really possible to give an appropriate answer.
I didnât ask, but why did you put this right after a part where you ignored yet another question I asked? At least it was explicitly a rhetorical question this time, but still weird behavior to keep copying and pasting all the questions for no reason.
Iâll half-answer this if you answer one of the many questions youâve ignored from me.
Why are you acting like I suddenly forgot this?
I didnât ask if you would.
You should stop putting your own statements in quote marks, itâs weird.
What do you mean by âthese?â
Thatâs what the evidence suggests.
It shows that we have a good idea what will happen without censorship.
I donât really give a fuck about your questions.
Itâs pathetic that it took so many posts for you to finally acknowledge this question.
What sort of comical Jordan Peterson style reply is this lmao
Lmao what evidence fucking hell
How would it do that? How does it do that?
I didnât ask if you do.
How many?
Also, is there a way to tell if (or maybe when) a post here is edited, so you could prove your answer with numbered links?
Neither comical nor Jordan Peterson style.
If I remember right you said âthese rulesâ but it was a question, so itâs acting like I somehow know what set of rules you mean when you didnât establish a group of rules to be talking about before calling it âthese rulesâ
The lack of anyone else demonstrating the same level of fluency as me despite what seems like immense pressure to do so in the current state of the anglosphere / planet
By being less censored than Reddit, and both being complete garbage and full of slop, spam and trolls.
How would they do that? Youâve spoken to everyone to know that you have better fluency?
Why should I do that?
No, it wasnât.
I was asking what pressure the lemmy.world admins were supposedly under when they made the instance.
If that was all true, I still donât see how it would answer my question.
Same ways as me, I guess (except more)
Your fluency is so bad thatâs what you thought I said?
Or are you just a deeply dishonest person?
Do what? You put this after the part where you copied and pasted me asking if thereâs a way to prove your answer with numbered links - are you asking me what the burden of proof is yet again? Why do you keep acting like you need things repeated so many times? And you still didnât answer the question, is there a way to tell if (or maybe when) a post here is edited?
Incorrect. It was.
I didnât ask what you had been asking at the time, and putting this after the âno, it wasntâ makes it seem like this is all supposed to flow together to someone whoâs not paying attention. But itâs weird to do this manipulative stuff for âsomeone whoâs not paying attentionâ because, once again I tell you brother, it is pretty much just us this deep into this subthread so far.