“The first thing for me was he didn’t release the Epstein files. They’re even acting like they didn’t exist,” he said, before moving on to his other grievances. “And, of course, they’re sending Israel and Ukraine all of our tax dollars just like the numb-nuts before him did. Putting America last, and now he’s blaming the beef farmers for the price of beef.”

Mitchell added, “Hey, I’m not biased, man. He talked a good game; he tricked me. I was fooled. I admit it.”

“Yeah, I do think that Donald Trump is that beast of Revelation 13:3.”

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    Can you honestly say you’d trust their decision making without you on their shoulder? They’ve already demonstrated who they are very clearly, when someone tells you they’re horrible you should believe them.

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      Yes I can.

      I literally witnessed my closest friend pushing back against some of his friends on my talking points. He wants racist or an idiot, he’d been lied to and pointed to the wrong people as the enemy. Now after me working on him for months on end he sees that he was wrong and how the media manipulated him and will push back against others.

      I can see a time when he himself converts someone else and perhaps they will also pay it forward.

      As I asked the other person, what’s the point on you commenting on political stuff if not to change minds? Otherwise it’s just stroking your ego.

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        any resources on the subject of deprogramming these people you’d recommend.

        i know the first bits is like “build trust, don’t come from place of judgement yada yada” but how do you actually get them to finally start thinking critically?

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          Honestly I don’t have any resources really and I think it’s only possible with people you spend a lot of time with.

          My method has been quite simple really and I’ll tend to ask questions, to which I know the answers but I know they won’t have any clue.

          Example: Lots of anti asylum seeker rhetoric in my country right now. So the first thing I ask is how does one apply for asylum in the UK on boats.

          Now I’ve never met anybody on the right able to answer this. So I’ll show them the government site which clearly states to apply for asylum you need to be in the UK.

          Then I can frame this as well doesn’t it seem like a manufactured problem that we could solve by letting people make applications before they arrive here.

          That’s just a quick example, but the gist has been really to be fucking relentless and not let anything slide without being challenged. After a while you’ll notice these people first come to you for an opinion, which id argue is thinking critically. Then you’ll see them thinking about things themselves rather than asking me.

          Now I say be relentless, but you have to read the room and let things slide sometimes otherwise you’ll become insufferable and might hurt the cause, but I’ve found that once you can show some inconsistencies in the right wing rhetoric they’ll be more receptive to learning more and more.