Last time this primary vs general was paid attention to (internationally at least), it was because Bernie was about to out-primary Hillary and then the Democrats figuratively put their thumb on the scale and gave it to Hillary.
I absolutely understand even a dead rat would be better president than the Pedophile in Chief you have now. But the people of the USA barely have a very indirect path to elect their representatives… this is a democracy like Cheetos are “food”
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing… At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
I’m sorry but not recognizing the flavour of democracy the USA has is broken is a problem. It’s like telling starving kids of Gaza that broccoli is a nutritious snack… that may be true but the issue is not they are picky eaters, the problem is that there is no food
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing… At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
…not recognizing the flavour of democracy the USA has is broken is a problem.
I never claimed that democracy in the US wasn’t broken. If you think I did, please point specific statements.
Here you go…
How many votes did Bernie get in the primary, and how many did Hillary get? I can understand being upset about the results of the primary if Bernie had received more votes than Hillary, and then the DNC nominated Hillary anyway, but that didn’t happen. He lost the primary, and thus he was not the candidate. He knows that democracy is a compromisea, and he not just voted for, but publicly supported and campaigned for Hillary after he lost the nomination.
It’s an expression… I am not sorry, I have nothing to be sorry for, neither do you, we are just debating
I never claimed that democracy in the US wasn’t broken. If you think I did, please point specific statements.
You offered a solution based on a working democracy which is not the case here… why do you offer one if you know it won’t work?
Again, following my analogy… why would you offer broccoli for the kids in Gaza when there is none?
How many votes did Bernie get in the primary, and how many did Hillary get?..
How many votes did Bernie lost when the Democrats said Hillary would be chosen regardless? From the link you did not read:
The Cook Political Report estimated late last month that Clinton’s early advantage with superdelegates meant that she effectively started the race eight points above Sanders in the race to get enough delegates to secure the nomination.
You offered a solution based on a working democracy which is not the case here… why do you offer one if you know it won’t work?
Please provide specifics, otherwise you are just talking around what I actually wrote.
I did read your link. Do two things for me here. First, look up how many votes (not delegates but votes) Bernie and Hillary got in the primary. Second, please recognize that I am talking about direct votes for a candidate, not the delegates. Let me know if you think a working democracy is one where the less popular candidate gets the nomination.
Absolutely, but I will not keep falling in line for candidates that would rather lose than listen to me and publicly and emphatically support the very reasonable policies I want.
At a certain point my vote is earned, it has to be or else I will be ignored.
I think you are missing the meaning of “compromise”. You need to vote for the candidate that will best represent you… And part of the best representation equation is being able to win the election.
No, the Democratic Party is selectively missing the meaning of “compromise” only when it comes to shutting down progressives, they are happy as hell to hand power to conservatives.
I know what compromise looks like and I reward it when I see it.
Like they are literally openly admitting that they acknowledge they’re willing to blow their legs off for a chance at offending the rich people at the DNC who will be insulated from all the results.
Its like a teenager who goes out doing dangerous behaviour to be rebellious against their parents.
Sure, and compromise is inherent to democracy. So go vote for who you want in the primaries, and vote against who you don’t want in the general.
What democracy?
Any/every democracy?
I meant to imply the USA does not have one.
Last time this primary vs general was paid attention to (internationally at least), it was because Bernie was about to out-primary Hillary and then the Democrats figuratively put their thumb on the scale and gave it to Hillary.
I absolutely understand even a dead rat would be better president than the Pedophile in Chief you have now. But the people of the USA barely have a very indirect path to elect their representatives… this is a democracy like Cheetos are “food”
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing… At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
I’m sorry but not recognizing the flavour of democracy the USA has is broken is a problem. It’s like telling starving kids of Gaza that broccoli is a nutritious snack… that may be true but the issue is not they are picky eaters, the problem is that there is no food
Here you go: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/why-sanders-new-hampshire-victory-wasn-t-so-huge-n516066
No you aren’t, don’t lie.
I never claimed that democracy in the US wasn’t broken. If you think I did, please point specific statements.
How many votes did Bernie get in the primary, and how many did Hillary get? I can understand being upset about the results of the primary if Bernie had received more votes than Hillary, and then the DNC nominated Hillary anyway, but that didn’t happen. He lost the primary, and thus he was not the candidate. He knows that democracy is a compromisea, and he not just voted for, but publicly supported and campaigned for Hillary after he lost the nomination.
It’s an expression… I am not sorry, I have nothing to be sorry for, neither do you, we are just debating
You offered a solution based on a working democracy which is not the case here… why do you offer one if you know it won’t work? Again, following my analogy… why would you offer broccoli for the kids in Gaza when there is none?
How many votes did Bernie lost when the Democrats said Hillary would be chosen regardless? From the link you did not read:
Please provide specifics, otherwise you are just talking around what I actually wrote.
I did read your link. Do two things for me here. First, look up how many votes (not delegates but votes) Bernie and Hillary got in the primary. Second, please recognize that I am talking about direct votes for a candidate, not the delegates. Let me know if you think a working democracy is one where the less popular candidate gets the nomination.
Absolutely, but I will not keep falling in line for candidates that would rather lose than listen to me and publicly and emphatically support the very reasonable policies I want.
At a certain point my vote is earned, it has to be or else I will be ignored.
I think you are missing the meaning of “compromise”. You need to vote for the candidate that will best represent you… And part of the best representation equation is being able to win the election.
Oh! I guess if being able to win an election is part of the compromise maybe all the non voters for Hillary and Kamala were right.
No, the Democratic Party is selectively missing the meaning of “compromise” only when it comes to shutting down progressives, they are happy as hell to hand power to conservatives.
I know what compromise looks like and I reward it when I see it.
I rest my case.
These people are seriously delusional.
Like they are literally openly admitting that they acknowledge they’re willing to blow their legs off for a chance at offending the rich people at the DNC who will be insulated from all the results.
Its like a teenager who goes out doing dangerous behaviour to be rebellious against their parents.