It doesn’t need to be fine to do. It just needs to be doable without consequences. Even if just 1% of men are shitty enough to do it, that will be enough for almost every woman to suffer from it.
I really liked the “yes all women” hashtag response to the “not all men” one. Pointing out the near universal experience of women being harassed (or worse) by a man at some point (often multiple times) in their life.
Dont know why, since it too was a lie. Across the world its around 50%, which still aint great. But its not all. People really need to stop talking in absolutes, we arent sith for fucks sake.
To me the “dealing in absolutes” here is insisting that the phrase “yes all women” can’t be used if even a single woman hasn’t been harassed because it’s a “lie” rather than actually listening to what the women are saying and the point they’re trying to make.
If the point your trying to make requires a lie, then its not a very good point. Is it? If a single man is raped by woman, can I then say “all women”? If a single man beats his wife, can I say “all men”? If a single American is fat, rapes women and is elected president, can I say “All Americans”? Are you starting to see the issue yet?
When you say “all” you invite people to say “well actually…” and then back that up with stats that make the claim that all woman or all men or all Americans is bullshit. And we stop talking about the actual issue, kinda like whats happening now. So maybe, instead of the hyperbole, just state the facts and let them do the heavy lifting instead of the bullshit that leads to so many online arguments. No?
Sounds nothing like that. “Black lives matter” is a focus on the unjust treatment of black people by SOME police officers in the US. “All lives matter” or “Blue lives matter” is dumb shit by people who dont get the “focus” part.
Saying “All” is why we have women scared to walk the streets, even though the stats dont back up that claim. Only 25% of sexual assaults on women are done by strangers. The other 75% is done by people that they know, friends and family. When you say “all” and its not “all” youre doing a disservice to the topic. The stats say that women in are in far less danger during the walk home than they are when they get home. Which is something to actually talk about, instead of all the focus being “on the streets”.
I have the same question because I believe that person is not a loaf of bread1so I also question whether they live in Estonia. I like to think we’re better than that here nowadays (30 years ago might have been different, 90s were hell).
1 Eesti leib means Estonian bread in, well, Estonian
i mean, ill be honest, ive heard this happening in select countries, and still is gross. To hear it this widespread across countries just blows my mind.
Unfortunately it still happens in a lot of places, I’m just hoping it’s not as common here as the comment above described. Kinda sucks to raise a child in a society where groping is deemed acceptable.
Such uncivilized behavior… This happened in Estonia? I guess people who have no respect for personal boundaries and autonomy exists everywhere, unfortunately. But on that note, most people are decent folks, only overshadowed by the idiots. Personally I’ve (luckily?) only had good experiences with the people while living here.
My boobs got groped in public the first year they were appealing to men. I didn’t even realize what had happened at first.
Edit: I’m trans and my boobs became first attractive to men in my 40s. The incident I’m describing happened in the US.
I’m not sure if that’s better or worse than assuming you were a cis woman and it happened at like 13. Because I’ve heard of that happening too.
That happened to my ex-wife, by a family member.
That she was expected to forgive and not make faces around afterward.
what…where does this come from that its fine to do this? jesus.
The country that elected the “grab them by the pussy” President?
I didn’t see the US edit till later and I’m still shocked some fucker did that in the US. Gross
It doesn’t need to be fine to do. It just needs to be doable without consequences. Even if just 1% of men are shitty enough to do it, that will be enough for almost every woman to suffer from it.
Yeah and there should be consequences for that wherever this happens. Nobody deserves to be violated like that.
I really liked the “yes all women” hashtag response to the “not all men” one. Pointing out the near universal experience of women being harassed (or worse) by a man at some point (often multiple times) in their life.
Dont know why, since it too was a lie. Across the world its around 50%, which still aint great. But its not all. People really need to stop talking in absolutes, we arent sith for fucks sake.
To me the “dealing in absolutes” here is insisting that the phrase “yes all women” can’t be used if even a single woman hasn’t been harassed because it’s a “lie” rather than actually listening to what the women are saying and the point they’re trying to make.
If the point your trying to make requires a lie, then its not a very good point. Is it? If a single man is raped by woman, can I then say “all women”? If a single man beats his wife, can I say “all men”? If a single American is fat, rapes women and is elected president, can I say “All Americans”? Are you starting to see the issue yet?
When you say “all” you invite people to say “well actually…” and then back that up with stats that make the claim that all woman or all men or all Americans is bullshit. And we stop talking about the actual issue, kinda like whats happening now. So maybe, instead of the hyperbole, just state the facts and let them do the heavy lifting instead of the bullshit that leads to so many online arguments. No?
Sound like an “all lives matter” type.
Sounds nothing like that. “Black lives matter” is a focus on the unjust treatment of black people by SOME police officers in the US. “All lives matter” or “Blue lives matter” is dumb shit by people who dont get the “focus” part.
Saying “All” is why we have women scared to walk the streets, even though the stats dont back up that claim. Only 25% of sexual assaults on women are done by strangers. The other 75% is done by people that they know, friends and family. When you say “all” and its not “all” youre doing a disservice to the topic. The stats say that women in are in far less danger during the walk home than they are when they get home. Which is something to actually talk about, instead of all the focus being “on the streets”.
Detailed and accurate information matter.
I have the same question because I believe that person is not a loaf of bread1so I also question whether they live in Estonia. I like to think we’re better than that here nowadays (30 years ago might have been different, 90s were hell).
1 Eesti leib means Estonian bread in, well, Estonian
i mean, ill be honest, ive heard this happening in select countries, and still is gross. To hear it this widespread across countries just blows my mind.
Unfortunately it still happens in a lot of places, I’m just hoping it’s not as common here as the comment above described. Kinda sucks to raise a child in a society where groping is deemed acceptable.
Such uncivilized behavior… This happened in Estonia? I guess people who have no respect for personal boundaries and autonomy exists everywhere, unfortunately. But on that note, most people are decent folks, only overshadowed by the idiots. Personally I’ve (luckily?) only had good experiences with the people while living here.