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    Oo ooo, can I go next?

    FDR wasn’t the great working class champion he has been lionized as. The New Deal was a compromise that was a direct response to the working class organizing and beginning to make demands. It’s purpose was to mitigate the failings of capitalism, because the contradictions could never be directly addressed. Roosevelt sided with big business, in both agriculture and banking, that added speed to consolidation of corporations we are now fully having to deal with.

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      Roosevelt was a social liberal. He believed in state intervention on economy only if required. He went hands off sometime after his first term when when the economy improved. But when US had a mini-recession during the Depression, he put his hands back again on the steering wheel.

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      Roosevelt sided with big business, in both agriculture and banking,

      What?

      EBRA?

      I have no idea what you mean, I don’t know everything, but I feel like you may be misunderstanding something

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        The National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 (NIRA) included the promotion of monopolies and price-fixing, which had a negative impact on small businesses, and inadequate protection of workers’ rights and collective bargaining (7a a single line).

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          That’s legislation…

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Industrial_Recovery_Act_of_1933

          Are you mad he didn’t veto it?

          Or do you think FDR is soley responsible like when China killed all the sparrows and caused a famine killing millions?

          That’s relevant, because you’re saying unintended consequences matter after all.

          I just don’t understand why you’re blaming FDR unless you assume he had the same level of power as Mao

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            It was apart of Roosevelt’s New Deal, his administration was the driving force behind it. Like yes it was legislation but is the point you are trying to make that the New Deal had nothing to do with FDR?

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              You’re blaming him for one piece of legislation that had unintended consequences…

              Do you blame Mao for the famine that resulted when he ordered the extermination of sparrows?

              For some reason you didn’t answer that

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                Are you at all familiar with the subject at hand or just talking to talk?

                NIRA was an utter failure, considered both by the people that lived through it and historians because of the reasons I listed. So bad that it had to be repealed within 2 years. Like idk why you keep bringing up Mao dude.

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                  because of the reasons I listed.

                  Because it didn’t work out?

                  Like idk why you keep bringing up Mao dude.

                  Because those unintended consequences were way worse and done by a single leader and not an entire government…

                  I really don’t know how to put it any simpler.

                  Or why you can’t answer that question, do you blame Mao like you blame FDR?

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                    I honestly don’t know anything about killing sparrows in China. I can’t speak to it like I can the New Deal, and it would be folly of me to try and brush up just to respond to your red herring.

                    I don’t think you can even call them unintended consequences when it was big business that help shape those parts of the laws. The fact that they encouraged monopolies and price-fixing was entirely what the goal was. It was the administration’s poor attempt at appeasing the owner class because FDR was in a position that was forcing him to give the working class something for once.