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The Justice Department posted pardons online bearing identical copies of Donald Trump’s signature before quietly correcting them this week after what the agency called a “technical error.”
The replacements came after online commenters seized on striking similarities in the president’s signature across a series of pardons dated Nov. 7, including those granted to former New York Mets player Darryl Strawberry, former Tennessee House speaker Glen Casada and former New York police sergeant Michael McMahon.
In fact, the signatures on several pardons initially uploaded to the Justice Department’s website were identical, two forensic document experts confirmed to The Associated Press.
IANAL but wouldn’t that make every one of those pardons now fraudulent and invalid?
Under literally any Democratic administration, yes.
As much as I’d like that to be true, probably not. Automatic signature machines have been a thing, especially for presidential signatures, for a while now. This is more a hit to Trump’s ego than anything.
I’m not talking about the autopen. I’m talking about going back after the fact and changing the signature from the autopen to something else, thus imho, invalidating the document.
Only if there is gold fringe on the document.
If it invalidates the first by removing the signature, it revalidates it by adding another from an authorized signer.
Yeah I don’t know if that’s how it works after the pardon has already been invoked or whatever.
The MAGAs have been making the argument that Biden signed Hunter’s pardon with an autopen, so the pardon is invalid. If that’s true, then so are Trump’s pardons. I’m good with that, let’s round up all the J6 traitors. I doubt he personally signed over 1000 pardons.
Also, did he sign any of his Executive Orders with an autopen, because they’re invalid, too.
Just following THEIR rules.
Its not eve n about the autopen in their opinion, its that Biden wasn’t supposedly aware of what he was signing.
So what I say is have Trump name every executive order he has made and any one that he misses gets instantly struck down.
Similarly, every time he says something stupid like, ’ I don’t even know the guy…’ that should invalidate a pardon.
Valid.
You know, you can have more than one name on a single pardon, or just name an entire group like “everyone who was accused of any crime at or near the capital on January 6, 2021”. Also dude is still the incumbent, what good is invalidating the autopen thing?
Specifying a whole group and not giving names seems like it should probably be unconstitutional? Like you could just use it to unilaterally undo any law, which isn’t the intent of the pardon system. IANAL
I mean, the people who dodged the Vietnam War got pardoned that way… so it can be used for good…
It’s a double-edge sword.
Would it shock you to hear that they’ve been breaking the law the whole time and getting away with it?
I’m shocked!
It was rhetorical.
So’s your mom