• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    13 hours ago

    No, I mean saying Russia can just surrender now doesn’t actually mean anything. That’s like saying oil barons can just stop any time. It isn’t a real solution.

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      13 hours ago

      “Aggressor packs up and goes home” is about the most meaningful end this three day year operation could have.

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        13 hours ago

        Why would Russia stop now, when it’s near certain that their stated demands will be met either millitarily or via peace concessions?

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            This kind of refusal to engage with reality is why liberals are getting their lunch eaten by fascists in the west and communists in the east. You do not have a serious worldview.

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            13 hours ago

            No, and again, that doesn’t apply in any way. Russia isn’t going to surrender when they are winning the war, it isn’t a real option. Either Ukraine and Russia successfully broker a peace deal, or Russia continues advancing at an increasingly rapid pace. That’s the reality of the situation, the war is increasingly unpopular in Ukraine and corruption from the Banderites in charge is causing erosion of support.

            There isn’t a realistic way for Ukraine to win millitarily.

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                12 hours ago

                I actually disagree with most MLs on the war, but you’re deliberately not listening to what is trying to be explained to you.

                You aren’t being told “Russia isn’t gonna stop and that’s a good thing” you’re being told “Russia isn’t gonna stop because it doesn’t make any sense for them to as they’ve almost gotten what they wanted.”

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                12 hours ago

                We aren’t discussing right, or any kind of moralism, but what actually exists in the real world and what is going to happen.