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I’m posting this to hopefully stop the posts that keep appearing, suggesting that progress has been made to defeat chat control. That’s not correct.
The article:
Contrary to headlines suggesting the EU has “backed away” from Chat Control, the negotiating mandate endorsed today by EU ambassadors in a close split vote paves the way for a permanent infrastructure of mass surveillance. Patrick Breyer, digital freedom fighter and expert on the file, warns journalists and the public not to be deceived by the label “voluntary.”
While the Council removed the obligation for scanning, the agreed text creates a toxic legal framework that incentivizes US tech giants to scan private communications indiscriminately, introduces mandatory age checks for all internet users, and threatens to exclude teenagers from digital life.
“The headlines are misleading: Chat Control is not dead, it is just being privatized,” warns Patrick Breyer. **“What the Council endorsed today is a Trojan Horse. By cementing ‘voluntary’ mass scanning, they are legitimizing the warrantless, error-prone mass surveillance of millions of Europeans by US corporations, while simultaneously killing online anonymity through the backdoor of age verification.” ** Continue reading here - https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/reality-check-eu-council-chat-control-vote-is-not-a-retreat-but-a-green-light-for-indiscriminate-mass-surveillance-and-the-end-of-right-to-communicate-anonymously/
Who is promoting this and why is it constantly coming back?
The timeline is here
Currently Denmark pushing it, they hold the EU presidency at the minute. Their minister for justice - Peter Hummelgaard is responsible for the big push and the wording. Specifically trying to pull the wool over the general public. Ireland are next (they take over in January) And the minister for justice in Ireland (Jim O’Callaghan) is also in favour of it.
U.N. right to privacy
Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights - Right to privacy in the digital age
U.N. - Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Thank you.
But what groups are advocating for this? There is clearly a significant campaign behind this. It doesn’t seem at all grassroots.
At a guess, I’d imagine big tech companies are lobbying as most of the information that they use comes from data gathering. Using data directly from texts etc. Leaves them open to court cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/12/eu-gdpr-data-law-us-tech-giants-digital
The options are limitless to the politicians regarding money making opportunities pushing x,y and z through once our private correspondence and devices are being scanned.
For example, in years to come insurance companies could refuse to pay out on all sorts of claims using that data. Doctor may have recommended you walk a mile a day and change your diet. You don’t do it, or just miss a day, your life insurance policy is voided. Car crash not your fault, no payout because you missed something else etc.
I couldn’t begin to to guess the amount of ways that this information could be used, but it’s a complete u-turn from what the EU was saying only a few years ago
https://gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/
They still recommend using signal - but only internally.
Which in itself is bizarre.
And exempting themselves from being scanned is just showing what they really think.
I’m trying to learn more about EU politics, and when something like this won’t die after being beat down several times, in the US it’s almost always some industry lobbying organization.
And a problem we have globally, is that there isn’t an organized counter movement in the opposite direction (that privacy is a human right, that this isn’t a path to security, that states need to be restrained and restricted in their tendencies towards authoritarianism).
Without that countermovement, it’s almost inevitable something like this will pass as the lobbying organization can long outlive the current generation of activists or politicians who see the problems with something like chat control.
https://www.corporateeurope.org/en/2025/11/roll-back-digital-rights-prepared-secrecy
Yes, that’s the same with many things. No counter movement.
We will see how transparent it all is
https://transparency.eu/briefing-lobby-transparency-in-the-eu/
I know who… all kinds of people in different governments government organizations like in the Netherlands these people: https://organisaties.overheid.nl/46813/mr_drs_HP_Schreinemachers/
He is head of Justice and Security Ministry.
It feels like this is just going to keep coming back, and that it’s being pushed by a centrally organized project. If privacy protections aren’t effectively enshrined in law, inevitably this kind of nanny state surveillance will happen.
2000% true. We will slowly move to a surveillance state. And we end up in the same list like North-Korea, China, etc…