I keep wondering why class prejudice is treated as so normal in the UK, especially when most people are working class themselves. The slur “chav” shows this clearly. It gets used so casually, almost like it’s harmless, even though it’s aimed at an entire social group. What I can’t figure out is why so few people call it out for the classism it is. Media and politics seem to reinforce the idea that mocking the working class is acceptable, but it still feels strange that so many people go along with it without questioning it. It makes me wonder how something so openly dismissive became such an ordinary part of everyday language.
A few poignant examples I’ve read are things such as “anyone else cross the street when they see chavs (working class people)”? Or “I hate chavs (working class people) I wish they were all gassed”. Often, such phrasings will earn a lot of upvotes or likes, as well. It’s 42 million people, that is a lot of people some people want to be “gassed”, that other people are upvoting/liking.
Not this again… Chav isn’t a fucking slur, if you think it is, then you aren’t using it right.
I’d argue you aren’t using it right, Chav is definitely a slur & Owen Jones would agree it’s a slur. So if you ‘used it right’ what would it be?
Modern day wannabe-gangster tracksuit wearer. Causing trouble, giving other people a hard time cus it makes em feel bigger. Who the fuck is Owen Jones anyway?
Where are you from anyway?
EDIT: you’re either not from the UK, not working class, trolling, or just OPs alt account.
Wow, truly impressive, every single thing you said managed to be wrong. Have you actually read Chavs, or are we just vibing off Facebook sections now? For the record, since you seem very invested in inventing backgrounds for strangers, I’m from the UK, I’m absolutely working class, I work two jobs, and I’m just scraping by. But sure, “OP’s alt account” was a bold swing. Not a clever one, but bold.
Jones’ point, which you’d know if you’d bothered engaging with the argument instead of throwing labels around, is that the word “chav” strips people of individual dignity, turns real social hardship into a joke, and makes it easier to dismiss actual human struggles. And shockingly enough, when people are told the poor are just “lazy, irresponsible chavs,” they become much more comfortable supporting policies that punish them. Wild how language works like that.
Using the word “chav” doesn’t just target “behaviour”, it functions socially as a neat little way of sneering at an entire group of people. That’s what makes it classist in effect, even when the user insists they “didn’t mean it like that”.
But yes, clearly the only possible explanation for anyone disagreeing with you is a secret alt-account conspiracy. The much less dramatic truth is that I’m a knackered, working-class Brit with two jobs and enough life experience to see lazy class contempt when it’s dressed up as banter. I know, devastating to your narrative.
I’ve taken a guess and tagged this account as “alt acct; invents slurs and gaslights”
It might be wrong. I’m not interested enough to check.
Ok, I think I’ve worked out what the issue is here.
First of all, let’s go back to where Owen Jones starts off.
The term chav refers to a specific subset of young people who spend a disproportionate amount of their money on fashionable clothes and hang around being a nuisance to other people.
He also argues that the term is used by right-wing media outlets as a broader generalisation of working-class people as a whole, to further push their arguments.
These two things can be true at the same time.
But I’d definitely agree it’s not a slur. It’s just lazy journalism presenting a caricature of the working-class because it’s easier for their deranged arguments.
The majority of people are born into working class families, but only a few become chavs.
It’s a sad reflection on the country that the right-wing media is able to get away with presenting absolute rubbish with abandon, and it’s unfortunate that a lot of people consume this media without realising that they’re being told lies and half-truths.
But that’s what the problem is. It’s not that the term itself is bad, it’s that bad people use the image it conjures to caricature the working class in general.
Quit posting this nonsense under different accounts.
Chav is NOT a derogatory term for working class folks.
This is what I’m going to reply every time you post this garbage.
The Cambridge English Dictionary defines chav as “an insulting word for someone, usually a young person, whose way of dressing, speaking, and behaving is thought to show their lack of education and low social class.”
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/chav
It’s based on behaviour.
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Chav does not mean “working class people” and is not a “slur”.
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You’ve got to be the same person with the chav fetish looking for a “polite” chav synonym for your romantic interests and then attacking people.
If you don’t like that word, don’t use it so much.
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Gonna need a source.
Also chav /= working class, no matter how much you make this claim and continue to post it.
Most people think they’re middle class and it’s easy to punch down, that’s really all there is to it.
When I was young I remember asking my parents “are we rich or poor?” and I was told we were middle class, it stands out because at the time I didn’t know what that meant. Looking back we were absolutely working class. We were in one of the worst parts of the city and literally just the corner was a street well known for gang violence and crime. The one time I called the cops after being attacked there when they arrived they made sure they were parked in view of security cameras and even called to have sure the cameras were on then and working. Also the only “help” they have was telling me to do it because it wasn’t worth the effort.
We were only slightly better off than everyone else living there, we actually owned our home when many of them were in council housing.Easy (and absolutely not limited to the UK): they don’t see themselves as being part of that social “group”, they see themselves as someone better/above them. An age-old human trait, really.
Divide and rule. A tale as old as capitalism and before.
Why would it be especially bad in the UK, though? What is happening in the UK to cause such widespread class-hate?
“Chav” doesn’t mean “working class” in the same way that “penguin” doesn’t mean “bird”.
Heck, some of the chavs I know wouldn’t know work if it hit them.
Chavs are a tiny subset of working class people, in the same way that penguins are a tiny subset of birds.
I live in a northern mill town. Most of my very large extended family are working class (it’d probably be a bit disingenuous for me to claim that I still am, though). They would look at you like you were an idiot if you tried to convince them that chav means them.
Chavs are the kids who hang around with expensive trainers and caps, who have absolutely no qualms about being a nuisance to other people.
They represent a tiny proportion of the working class, and any criticism of them is specifically targeted at them.
