• IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    A thousand times this. People hate bad female actors not because they are female but because they are bad actors.

    Kal el no

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      14 hours ago

      Sometimes, but more often bad writing can make a great actress look like a bad female actor.

      Natalie Portman can act, but those prequels were rough on her reputation. The camp value od the prequels wasn’t immediately apparent and it was rough on her.

      I remember someone saying that they thought Ewan McGregor and Liam Neesan were great, and the response was ‘yeah, in Trainspotting and Schindlers list.’

      Some people just hate women and they suck, but often the something with a female lead just sucks. It sucks that the former complicates the latter.

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        Wasn’t the woman from the Twilight movies accused of being a terrible actress and it nearly ruined her career, until she started getting other roles and her reputation turned right around. She even commented on it saying “Yeaaaah… Bella was a garbage nothing of a character. I did everything they asked of me, she’s just that terrible.”

        Kristen Stewart I think her name was?

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        I remember Patty Jenkins when Wonder Woman was due to come out saying that the problem with being a female director is That if a man makes a big budget film and it flops then that’s because the film is bad. But if you make a big budget film and it flops then that’s because women can’t direct.

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          That’s bullshit. People generally do blame the director when a movie is shit regardless of whether it’s a man or a woman. Does anyone ever say “TLJ sucks, but it’s not Rian Johnson’s fault, it’s a bad movie for mysterious reason, but it’s not Rian Johnson’s fault because he’s a man”?

          Patty Jenkins did a pretty good job on the first Wonder Woman which she directed, but didn’t write. Wonder Woman 1984 which she both wrote and directed was a complete turd. After that debacle, LucasFilm wanted to bring on some other writers to help her with the Star Wars movie they were going to spend hundreds of millions on, seems pretty reasonable. She dropped out instead of accepting help in an areas she’s weak.

          Seems to me Patty Jenkins just sucks as a writer. But she’s unable to admit that and instead wants to blame everyone else. There’s an audience for the narrative that the man is preventing women from succeeding. Even when the CEO of LucasFilm was a woman, it’s somehow still a man holding her down. But this is coming from the person that wrote and directed Wonder Woman 1984 so I’m going with someone that sucks at a thing blaming everyone else instead of admitting they aren’t good at a thing. And it’s too bad, she could have a lot of success if she was partnered with good writers, but she insists she doesn’t need that.

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          I dunno. The amount of (deserved) flak the likes of Kevin Feige, JJ Abrahams, and Alex Kurtzman are getting for ruining the ships they’re running kinda disproves that.

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      14 hours ago

      Yeah, I never even noticed “Kal el no” in the movie when I watched it. But it’s a meme, so we all have to pile on about something completely forgettable being the worst thing ever!

      That’s how this shit works. Just short clips about nothing burgers turned into memes and made to loom large in your mind as being something egregious.

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        8 hours ago

        I don’t even know what kal el no is, but i do know that it’s often unfair to call out any actor for s line delivery, because it’s often the case that they’ll do the same scene 6-7 times with very different deliveries, each prompted by the director, and then the director will choose which clip to use in editing.

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        13 hours ago

        No, she really is a bad actress. But the biggest problem people have with her isn’t “Kal-el no”, it’s “Bibi yes!”