AI doesn’t exist. This is like asking an atheist why they hate god.
If you’re talking about LLMs and the like, they’re unpopular on Lemmy because tech people are over represented here and tech people understand how these technologies work and why all the hype isn’t just false, but malicious.
AI has existed for decades. The chessbot on Atari is an AI.
What doesn’t exist is AGI but that’s not synonymous with AI. Most people just don’t know the right terms here and bunch it all together as if it was all one thing.
If one is expecting a large language model designed to generate natural sounding language to be generally intelligent like an sci-fi AI assistant then no wonder they find it lacking. They’re expecting autonomous driving from a cruise control.
You mean a bunch of advertising and media companies that control and gatekeep the news are hyping something that’s making them trillions of dollars? That seems… so unbelievable!
Isn’t the “AI” boom making very little for the companies hawking it and making trillions for the hardware providers? I feel like it’s analogous to the people that sold shovels & pickaxes during the gold rush.
I know you’re meming, but in Civilization (as in most games), you’re playing against predefined scripts and algorithmic rules that the computer opponent has, as well as having cheaper costs for resources than the user at higher difficulty levels - because it cannot compete with a skilled human player at that level (it literally cheats).
No LLM, no neural network, no deep learning… not ‘AI’ in the modern sense that’s being discussed here.
It’s not predefined though. The rules of the game are but not its actions. It observes the environment and changes its behavior based on that. That’s narrow intelligence and thus meeting the criteria of AI.
A chess player isn’t not-intelligent either just because it’s bound by the rules of the game.
No, it’s not predefined - chess has about 10^120 possible games. That’s astronomically large number which is way too vast to pre-store or hardcode. It’s intelligence through computation, not a script.
“Script” in a computer programming sense. An algorithm. So general behavior is most likely predefined. So not a script in a sense that it always does the same thing. This just means its behavior is most likely described using “if” statements. Eg. “If oponent did this, respond with that…” Algorithm can also “remember” some actions and act based on that. However the AI is most probably not activeley learning from your actions. It has all the knowledge predefined.
Some more advanced algorithms utilize some self learning principles. Buy this is very rare in games since this is resource intensive.
But even machine learning is not AI. Even LLM is not AI. But at least LLM became a synonym for AI in recent years.
Artificial Intelligence is the broad field of creating machines that can perform tasks requiring human-like intelligence, such as reasoning, learning, or perception. Machine Learning is a subset of AI where systems learn from data without explicit programming. Large Language Models are a specific type of ML model trained on vast text data to generate or understand language. LLMs are very much AI, and while they’ve popularized the term “AI” recently, the hierarchy stands: LLMs are ML, and ML is AI.
Also not a tech person, but I am an artist. I used to consider going into digital art, but now I’m grateful I didn’t and instead have honed … I guess you can call it “manual” art? As a way to say things I make with my hands? Maybe “analog” or “traditional” art?
Point is, I haven’t seen an AI create a pencil drawing or an acrylic painting. I get the feeling that as people tire of AI generated images, they may find renewed interest in these distinctly human-made art forms. I suppose we’ll have to wait and see. For now, AI may try to steal forms and ideas, but picking up a pencil or a paintbrush and creating something on a canvas are still out of its reach (thank goodness.)
AI doesn’t exist. This is like asking an atheist why they hate god.
If you’re talking about LLMs and the like, they’re unpopular on Lemmy because tech people are over represented here and tech people understand how these technologies work and why all the hype isn’t just false, but malicious.
AI has existed for decades. The chessbot on Atari is an AI.
What doesn’t exist is AGI but that’s not synonymous with AI. Most people just don’t know the right terms here and bunch it all together as if it was all one thing.
If one is expecting a large language model designed to generate natural sounding language to be generally intelligent like an sci-fi AI assistant then no wonder they find it lacking. They’re expecting autonomous driving from a cruise control.
You mean a bunch of advertising and media companies that control and gatekeep the news are hyping something that’s making them trillions of dollars? That seems… so unbelievable!
Isn’t the “AI” boom making very little for the companies hawking it and making trillions for the hardware providers? I feel like it’s analogous to the people that sold shovels & pickaxes during the gold rush.
if ai doesn’t exist then who is playing against me when i set the other civilizations to ai in rise of nations
Oh, that’s me. Microsoft gave me backdoor access to your computer so I can play against you.
using linux doesn’t protect me when i still run microsoft games on it i guess. it’s poetic in a way.
I know you’re meming, but in Civilization (as in most games), you’re playing against predefined scripts and algorithmic rules that the computer opponent has, as well as having cheaper costs for resources than the user at higher difficulty levels - because it cannot compete with a skilled human player at that level (it literally cheats).
No LLM, no neural network, no deep learning… not ‘AI’ in the modern sense that’s being discussed here.
It’s not predefined though. The rules of the game are but not its actions. It observes the environment and changes its behavior based on that. That’s narrow intelligence and thus meeting the criteria of AI.
A chess player isn’t not-intelligent either just because it’s bound by the rules of the game.
It is absolutely predefined - if you make the same moves it will give you the same results, every time. Same as playing ChessMaster 2000 from 1986.
It may narrowly fit into the broad definition of ‘AI’ (like, since the 70s) but that’s not what’s being discussed in this thread.
Believe what you like though.
No, it’s not predefined - chess has about 10^120 possible games. That’s astronomically large number which is way too vast to pre-store or hardcode. It’s intelligence through computation, not a script.
Believe what you like though.
“Script” in a computer programming sense. An algorithm. So general behavior is most likely predefined. So not a script in a sense that it always does the same thing. This just means its behavior is most likely described using “if” statements. Eg. “If oponent did this, respond with that…” Algorithm can also “remember” some actions and act based on that. However the AI is most probably not activeley learning from your actions. It has all the knowledge predefined.
Some more advanced algorithms utilize some self learning principles. Buy this is very rare in games since this is resource intensive.
But even machine learning is not AI. Even LLM is not AI. But at least LLM became a synonym for AI in recent years.
Artificial Intelligence is the broad field of creating machines that can perform tasks requiring human-like intelligence, such as reasoning, learning, or perception. Machine Learning is a subset of AI where systems learn from data without explicit programming. Large Language Models are a specific type of ML model trained on vast text data to generate or understand language. LLMs are very much AI, and while they’ve popularized the term “AI” recently, the hierarchy stands: LLMs are ML, and ML is AI.
Today my boss asked me why Gemini suggested made up columns when he was trying to query our database. I just told him it also makes up fake tables.
This shit is half baked and really never should have been foisted on the public.
This shit has cost the investors untold money, and it was promised to revolutionize the world, so by golly it will, by force if it must.
It’s not only tech people who “hate” AI.
— signed, half a tech person
Also not a tech person, but I am an artist. I used to consider going into digital art, but now I’m grateful I didn’t and instead have honed … I guess you can call it “manual” art? As a way to say things I make with my hands? Maybe “analog” or “traditional” art?
Point is, I haven’t seen an AI create a pencil drawing or an acrylic painting. I get the feeling that as people tire of AI generated images, they may find renewed interest in these distinctly human-made art forms. I suppose we’ll have to wait and see. For now, AI may try to steal forms and ideas, but picking up a pencil or a paintbrush and creating something on a canvas are still out of its reach (thank goodness.)
If artificial intelligence doesn’t exist explain Reddit.
Check mate Atheist.
No sign of intelligence there.
Game, set and match… believer?
Natural stupidity.