Move is part of a long-awaited Labour strategy including outlawing hen cages and ending puppy farming

Boiling lobsters while they are alive and conscious will be banned as part of a government strategy to improve animal welfare in England.

Government ministers say that “live boiling is not an acceptable killing method” for crustaceans and alternative guidance will be published.

The practice is already illegal in Switzerland, Norway and New Zealand. Animal welfare charities say that stunning lobsters with an electric gun or chilling them in cold air or ice before boiling them is more humane.

  • Kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    1530·
    24 hours ago

    In case you didn’t know, we are animals.

    We should always keep that in mind and stop pretending “being human” is some universal thing.

    • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      315·
      17 hours ago

      I’ve heard a lot of the world’s worst people use that as an excuse to do the most horrible things, and I despair that so many people readily embrace it as a validation.

      We are animals but we are different than every other animal, and we can be better and do better, and if holding yourself to a higher standard because you were born with sapience is too inconvenient, I’m sure there are some political and ideological groups out there who would love to have you.

      edit: I regret spending any time responding to the obvious trolls in this post. Block and move on people. If you ever find yourself having to argue that we’re better than animals, you’re not arguing with someone participating in good faith.

      • Kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        923·
        24 hours ago

        LOL so being against your perspective means validating the worst of humanity? Wow! Such arrogance…

        We can “do better” from our own perspective. We are “sapient” from our own perspective.

        I’m sure there are also a lot of groups of disgusting people you could fit, but how is that relevant? Is it just that you lack arguments and you resort to insulting a person that you don’t know? Is this what you call being “born with sapience”?

        What a petty animal you are…

        • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          73·
          18 hours ago

          To be very crass, animals also rape other animals, and I hope to god that you will not use “but we are animals” as an argument there as well.

          We are different from other animals in that we are moral agents. We can know the difference between good and bad. That makes us responsible to act upon that difference, too.

          • Kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            65·
            15 hours ago

            You think very lowly of other animals if you think they have no morals, or no discerning of good and bad.

            Or are you valuing your specific moral more than theirs? Because that’s a very classic specist reasoning, with no basis whatsoever except human arrogance.

            Also, humans rape other humans too, so how do you justify this? Are rapists not moral agents? You consider them beasts, different animals than yourself?

            Then what makes a human a human, what makes them the moral agent you talk about? Is it the respect of the law? Is it a particular neurological state?

            More importantly, do you really need this sort of validation to be “good”? Do you need to believe that you are different? That you have a responsibility? That you are “better” than other animals?

            Are you not capable of being equally “good” even knowing that morals are relative? That there is no actual universal good? That you have nothing more than other animals?

            • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              53·
              14 hours ago

              I don’t know what sort of gotcha you’re trying to make. Yes those humans are immoral moral actors.

              And also, no, I do not adhere to moral relativism, that is a position I outright reject. I definitively think that there are moral positions more “correct” than others. That is your position. Not mine.

              Does that make me “better” than other animals? “Better” in what sense, though? Better in terms of discerning right from wrong and able to think about these abstract concepts? Yes. Abstract thinking is something that humans are quite uniquely better at, as far as we know. Better as in having more moral value, though? No I would not say so. If an animal has capacity for suffering, then that animal has a moral worth. And we should avoid causing it suffering if possible.

              • Kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                21·
                6 hours ago

                The gotcha here is the same as the meme of Obama giving a medal to himself.

                Unfortunately not everyone can think abstractly enough to understand this.