Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

    • ms.lane@lemmy.world
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      16 hours ago

      They don’t care about damaging things now.

      Almost all of TSMC’s output is now powering US’ Stargate AI project. They also have their own fabs, they have equivalent to TSMC fabs (from stolen TSMC research) in larger numbers - the only reason we don’t see it flooding the market here in the west is that TSMC got injunctions against all the Chinese fabs selling 7nm and smaller chips.

      If TSMC is gone and Intel+Samsung can’t keep up, then those injunctions are going to disappear pretty quickly to keep the economy rolling.

      TSMC is no longer a card Taiwan holds, largely due to corporate greed.

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        10 hours ago

        The latest info we have says they don’t have the equivalent high end chip prod yet but they’re closing in. What you’re describing would likely be the reality within several years. That said I think it’s not in China’s interest to take Taiwan by force since they’d have to live with it. It’ll also do enormous damage to their soft power.

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          10 hours ago

          I think China does fervently wish that they can just “close in” to high end chip fabrication, but it’s not that easy. We’ll see, though.

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            9 hours ago

            For sure. It’s gonna be bad for TSMC but I’m cautiously optimistic for its effect on us regular non-US peasants. Especially given the shortages created by the AI bubble. Should lower the cost of compute.

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        15 hours ago

        Except that was a peaceful process, not an invasion/annexation. Because part of Taiwan’s strategic defense policy is “we will melt our chip fabs to slag if the PRC invades”. Thus, they hold a gun to the head of pretty much all of the most advanced chip fabrication in the world, which most of the rest of the world has a vested interest in keeping working.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          13 hours ago

          Except that was a peaceful process, not an invasion/annexation

          The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

          they hold a gun to the head of pretty much all of the most advanced chip fabrication in the world

          That’s been the American line for going on ten years. But the real gun has always been the Pacific Fleet, threatening to repeat the crimes of Vietnam on Chinese civilians, much like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now Venezuela and Nigeria.

          • stickly@lemmy.world
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            6 hours ago

            The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

            I must be going colorblind because those ships are flying a very red American flag…

            repeat the crimes of Vietnam on Chinese civilians, much like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now Venezuela and Nigeria

            Lol wtf? Unless you really bought dubya’s WMD bullshit, one of these countries is not like the others… I really doubt that any Chinese civilian on Chinese soil is going to get so much as a dirty look from any US armed forces…

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              I must be going colorblind because those ships are flying a very red American flag…

              You’re spitting distance from the coast of Fujain. I gotta wonder why you’d expect to see an American warship on the Chinese coastline.

              Unless…

              Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers USS Antietam (CG 54) and USS Chancellorsville (CG 62) are conducting a routine Taiwan Strait transit August 28 (local time) through waters where high seas freedoms of navigation and overflight apply in accordance with international law.

              Crazy how it’s international waters when an American warship is in them.

              I really doubt that any Chinese civilian on Chinese soil is going to get so much as a dirty look from any US armed forces…

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

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                Crazy how it’s international waters when an American warship is in them.

                Never said shit about it being international waters or claimed the US Navy was never there, we were talking about encircling Taiwan which the PRC literally just did. I hope you have the same decorum about US ships totally not practicing invasions of Mexico (😉). It’s right over the border after all.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

                Come on champ, you can do better than that. We’re talking about big scary warships and military bases and all you can link me is some run of the mill espionage shit? And it’s on Wikipedia no less, I’m gonna need to revoke your tankie card.

                You’re name dropping Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, I need a chance of a military occupation or some Hueys blaring CCR. Give me a real military threat that requires a show of force on this puny island. If flimsy proxy wars counted the USA would be the #1 most righteous belligerent in every conflict from 1945 onward with how much the KGB/GRU tickled them.

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            7 hours ago

            You think the USA is going to start an aggressive boots-on-ground assault on China?

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                7 hours ago

                China is a nuclear power. With a much larger population than the USA. What exactly do you imagine the hypothetical war-goals would be here?

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                  6 hours ago

                  Dude is high on his own supply. China is simultaneously the weakest and strongest global power depending on what argument needs to be made

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            13 hours ago

            The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

            Saying this on the same day that Chinese warships encircled Taiwan.