• cybermass@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    87
    arrow-down
    40
    ·
    3 days ago

    This is such gender war dog shit.

    The elite and society at large doesn’t care about anyone in the lower classes, man or women, young or old.

    • LotrOrc@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      55
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      3 days ago

      Ok to your second sentence, but it is proven over and over again that health care for women is at a much lower standard than for men. Less funding, less research, less care. Those are objective facts. Calling that out is not creating a gender war its identifying a drastic gap that has been written about in countless medical journals for decades.

    • AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      47
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      3 days ago

      are we really calling awareness of gender issues gender war? how do you expect gender issues to be resolved if no one’s allowed to talk about them?

      turns out there’s some pretty major issues with the gender binary, but I’m not sure how you expect to fix that without talking about it. it’s fair to say capatilism is part of the root cause but reducing it to solely that is a little disingenuous.

    • kiamwhatador@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      2 days ago

      Pointing out gender-related issues is not a “gender war”. Discussing someone else’s issues is not an attack on you.

        • kiamwhatador@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          How often do you see women come on to a Lemmy thread about men’s issues and try to make about women’s issues?

          • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 day ago

            I’m new to lemmy, but at least on reddit it happened pretty much any time people tried talking about men’s issues

      • zaphod@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        Putting the gender-related issues into a meme with a “if this affected men then there would be more funding” doesn’t feel like discussing issues and more like “gender war”.

        • kiamwhatador@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          1 day ago

          Taking “this issue involving women is not taken as seriously” as an attack on men or a “gender war” is a you problem.

          • zaphod@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            22 hours ago

            “Not taken as serious” vs “not taken serious”. The former implies that medical conditions affecting primarily men are taken more serious. I’m honestly not sure there are any medical conditions that mostly affect men which are taken more serious than medical conditions which mostly affect women.

            • kiamwhatador@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              18 hours ago

              I’m honestly not sure there are any medical conditions that mostly affect men which are taken more serious than medical conditions which mostly affect women.

              Have you looked at any studies to determine if this is the case or not?

    • arcticx@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      3 days ago

      The wealthy and powerful see the bodies of the working class the same way they see the natural resources of the planet. When all your value has been extracted, your husk will be cast aside or used as a means to extract wealth or value from someone else.

    • zxqwas@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 days ago

      Mindlessly criticising something and making it about your own pet “war”

      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        There is only the class war. Concern silos have failed their intended purpose, (assuming their purpose was not dividing the working class of course) and we should move on towards solidarity amongst the working class.

        I have zero Healthcare by the way. No insurance, no doctor. I want better outcomes for everyone. We all should be pissed about the state of the world together.

        • zxqwas@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 day ago

          Repeating what the previous poster said with your own words may have been something your teacher made you do. It has little value beyond improving your language skills.

    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      14
      ·
      2 days ago

      Leftists who view everything as a class issue get their asses handed to them at the polls every time. Yes, you can come up with some complicated strained logic for why things like homophobia or racism are a class issue, but that just doesn’t jive with what people experience in their actual lives. And you can stamp your feet and say that class issues are the most important issue, and everything else is secondary. Meanwhile, targeted minority groups will ignore you and focus on their actual real most important issues.

      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 day ago

        Most issues of race and gender are about wealth disparity, i.e. social class.

        If someone from a “targeted minority group,” say, a woman of color, is in a high-paying administrative position with a comprehensive benefits package and good healthcare, and has a 7+ figure net worth, and all the things that come with wealth and social position, then you can’t reasonably say she’s oppressed.

        Dividing men versus women in this fake gender war is socially engineered by the oligarchy to reduce social cohesion and make it impossible for people to band together. Likewise, exacerbating racial tensions is used to divide the working class into easily manageable chunks or silos.

        The only way anybody will ever overcome oppression, regardless of gender or race, is for people of all genders and races to work together towards the common goal of reducing wealth inequality. That doesn’t seem possible at the moment because everyone is so upset about their personal oppression or their group’s marginalization or whatever pet grievances they have, that they’ll never consider to work together with someone who seems to be outside their in-group.

        If people buy into the belief that it’s about men versus women or about black versus white, then people won’t be able to see past their differences and work together, because they’ll believe the “other” has interests that compete with their own.

        That’s why the above commenter said the only true conflict is class conflict. Everything else is socially engineered by the people at the top to keep everyone else broken and divided and easy to control.

      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        you can come up with some complicated strained logic for why things like homophobia or racism are a class issue

        Divide and conquer. Simple enough for you?

        • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          How convenient, blaming things like homophobia and racism on the rich absolves you of any personal responsibility.