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    As an American I fully condemn this, condemn the regime that ordered it, condemn the Military Officers that received orders to do this and didn’t immediately resign, and fully hope that International consequences against the guilty parties will be forthcoming.

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      100%. I’ve posted this a bunch to deaf ears, but if the international community were serious about ostracizing us, they simply need to sell their 10 year treasury bonds. It’ll hurt everyone economically, but will cause the house of cards to fold nearly immediately. The rats will jump ship once the profits are gone.

      That won’t happen though. Just some sternly worded letters and capitalism as usual. But the narrative that US citizens need to risk it all and take to the streets is exhausting and not effective in the least bit given the current landscape.

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          International capitalists*

          Seriously - research what would happen if the EU dropped it’s US Debt in a swift and orchestrated way

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            Billionaires have no real country allegiance beyond what benefits them directly.

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              Facts. I just hope citizens of other countries don’t waste their lead time thinking this is a domestic issue

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          They have, repeatedly. Millions upon millions of them. The biggest protests EVER.

          But you are free to come here and show us how it’s done! Lead the way

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            Have two or three big protests in a year is not “taking to the streets”. It’s performative bullshit.

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      Nothing is insane anymore with this administration. It stopped being insane when Americans elected a convicted felon and pedophile. Everything after that was just the same level of insane. As expected by everyone sane.

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      He made a deal with Trump. Maduro has abandoned venezuela. You can’t capture a national leader this easily unless they’re compliant

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          Trump gets:

          • Venezuelan oil and mineral wealth
          • cheap labour of Venezuelan people under occupation
          • PR win at a time when his approval is at an all time low
          • distraction from the Epstein files

          Maduro gets:

          • to a escape a long and bloody war he’d probably lose
          • a cushy life in Florida with a new identity
          • safety for his family
          • escaping trial for anything he might have done during his presidency
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            • How does trump get oil and minerals? He doesn’t, because Venezuela is still an independent country and is not occupied by the USA.

            • The same is true for "cheap labor. They are not occupied. They will be electing a new president/government. Of course, the USA will try to install their own pawns to get that oil and minerals. But they still might fail.

            • How is this a PR win? A PR win amongst his 30% of cult followers maybe, I don’t think it’s gonna make anyone else like him.

            • Maduro is not getting a cushy life and a new identity. He is going to stand trial, and Trump will make a spectacle of it. Now that might win him some PR points.

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              • How does trump get oil and minerals? He doesn’t, because Venezuela is still an independent country and is not occupied by the USA.

              He has already claimed them and is talking more boots in the ground.

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              You get the oil and minerals because the next guy knows not to deny you when you ask

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              They are not occupied

              Yet, you mean? I don’t know what to expect anymore, so nothing is out of the question

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              It’ll be weird to watch. He just pardoned a convicted cartel boss that was the leader of a nation with the excuse that the leader of a nation wouldn’t be involved in drug trafficking or murder.

              It’ll be a three ring circus and he’ll probably lose since he can’t even manage to successfully prosecute a single immigrant.

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              How does trump get oil and minerals? He doesn’t, because Venezuela is still an independent country and is not occupied by the USA.

              The replacement is little more than a US puppet. She will be indebted to Trump for as long as he remains in office, be it three more years, or for the rest of his life.

              They will be electing a new president/government.

              That has technically already happened. Maduro just refused to transfer power.

              As far at the PR goes, Trump doesn’t need PR anymore. His idiot base are unshakable. If he can get convicted of multiple felonies and still get elected, and then the Epstein files drop and implicate him and he still doesn’t get brought up on impeachment charges, then there’s no social ramifications for him any longer. Congress and the courts will protect him from run-of-the-mill abuses of power and scandals that would otherwise be devastating to a normal political figure. About the only thing he’s in danger of is letting people starve, which will cause mass riots. As long as he can avoid total economic collapse, he’ll be fine.

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        If there was any “deal” made, both the army and his personal security would have had to be informed. This seems very unlikely as it would be extremely difficult to hide this plot unless they kill everyone who knows about this.

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        that’s a major hit to their ability to fight back right? Even if he wasn’t collaborating losing a monolithic leader like would be a massive blow their ability to effectively resist.

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      Trump wouldn’t have won either election if congress had a spine.

      (emoluments for example).

      Congress was with him, even when they impeached him (and didn’t actually convict).

      Without congress, Trump wouldn’t be possible. No functioning government would have him as President.

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    I hate my country. I hope class consciousness accelerates under Trump’s shit management of the US so working class people can oust his ass. The US CANNOT be the world’s bully for another century.

    It’s time for this empire to fall.

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    The MeidasTouch Network has footage of all of this on their channel. Fucking insane shit, Trump has started an invasion without the approval of Congress.

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    I can’t help but think that this is gonna be my home city of Montréal soon. Better prepare, I guess.

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    They’ve been bombed. Not just explosions, the child rapist asking for a nobel peace prize just bombed them. Nice way to start 2026… Here’s hoping Venezuela becomes the cunt’s Vietnam!

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    I get off work at this god awful hour to learn that the US has performed an extrajudicial kidnapping of a foreign leader and their spouse. This fucking wild and I hope it doesn’t turn into regional conflict for all our sakes.

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    What I’ve found so far: CNN has a team present in Caracas and witnessed the strikes.

    • 7 explosions reported - likely missile strikes to disable air defense
    • 2 (correction: many more) smoke plumes reported - likely from sites struck with missiles
    • a flight of helicopters which could be MH60 Sea Hawk - nothing very impressive, a random civilian filmed them going low and slow, MANPADS fodder but it seems they got lucky on that leg of the run

    (Some X account posted footage from the Iranian attack on Israel and claimed it to be Venezuela.)

    Opinion:

    So it’s international agression then. Taking out air defense and inserting helicopters over the capital of another country is generally considered an act of war. I guess Trump thinks he needs a war for some reason. It might be smart to prevent him from getting a full-scale one - and the next best thing that might dissuade him might be casualties.

    An extremely unpleasant side effect: unless Maduro stumbles and falls really quick, he’s pretty much legitimizing Maduro and causing his supporters to consolidate around him. In the game of diplomacy, that’s not the right move.

    Some other countries would certainly benefit from Trump getting bogged down anywhere, in any country. Especially a large and technically sophisticated country which wants to annex an island well known for its electronic products would approve of the US going on adventures in random places and getting bogged down.

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      Trump is good friends with Saudis. The Saudis bring in billions every day because of their oil. Trump covets that, and wishes he had that.

      Venezuela is sitting above the largest oil deposit on the planet. Trump wants it. If he can control Venezuela, he can control that oil, and be as rich as the Saudis.

      It’s always easy with Trump. Just follow the money.

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      a flight of helicopters which could be MH60 Sea Hawk - nothing very impressive, a random civilian filmed them going low and slow, MANPADS fodder but it seems they got lucky on that leg of the run

      It seems like those helicopters carried special forces that are now on the ground and doing what they are there to do.

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        It seems like those helicopters carried special forces that are now on the ground and doing what they are there to do.

        It actually seems they hit the jackpot - they claim to have taken Maduro prisoner and claim to have taken him out of the country.

        If all of that is true, I’m still not sure if I’m impressed by the operation. A loose grid of guys with shoulder-launched missiles on a few rooftops could have ruined absolutely all of it.

        But if they got in without getting shot down, got Maduro and got out without getting shot down, then luck favoured them and war will hopefully not ensue.

        Maduro had likely built everything on personal loyalty to himself. A normal country would continue fighting and delegate authority downward, but Maduro wasn’t running a normal country, apparently.

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          Seems like everything went smooth and that Maduro is gone from power now. It is good that Maduro is gone but we’ll see what happens with Venezuela now, hopefully it becomes better but I’m far from certain about that.

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            Since I find that my own optimism was premature (I should cross out my last paragraph), I will cool your optimism too. As much as I currently understand, Maduro is gone, but the ministers of interior and defense, and the vice president, are fine. The figurehead is gone, the regime is armed and retains power.

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              Didn’t Trump say that US will take control over Venezuela for now? In that case I assume the regime will fall. But he says a lot of things, so who knows what that means? Maybe he made a deal with the vice president etc. that they can rule as long as he gets some money from the oil.

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      a flight of helicopters which could be MH60 Sea Hawk

      In the videos I saw, the helicopters were twin-rotor design. Some variant of the CH-47 Chinook.

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    Is the oil safe? I stand with Washington! Someone please tell me what flag I need to put on my X account, thanks!

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    What an ineffective distraction ftom the Epstein Files!

    And what a travesty Drumpf is literally playing with the lives of others, American and Venezuelan, to do so.

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      no matter how many men Trump murders, I will not be distracted from what’s truly important, which is that he raped women decades ago

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        Ah yes, let’s ignore the fact that he spent the bulk of his adult life grooming and raping girls (not “women”, but minors) with his best friend, the world’s most notorious pedophile sex trafficker, because he is starting an unprovoked war over oil.

        Genuine question: are you really incapable of being angry about multiple things at once, or do you just have a generally laissez-faire attitude towards violent sex crimes against kids?

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          are you really incapable of being angry about multiple things at once

          Then why keep going on about distractions?

          “My president is bombing innocent people, I bet he’s only doing it to distract us from him being a pedo” is not the enlightened stance you think it is

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            The truth is that Americans don’t care about their country killing foreigners, but they care a little more if their president is shown to be sexually impure. Politically it’s way more relevant.

            Puritanism and all that.

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              Can I just jump in here and say as an American I fucking care. I think we need to prosecute presidents for war crimes. All of them. I think every living former president deserves to be on trial for the murders they have committed. I’m staunchly anti-death-penalty but would make an exception if it prevents them from pardoning each other. This is the ONLY way we will reign in my country’s insane bipartisan military aggression, presidents should be scared as hell to misuse that power. I’m fucking horrified.

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              “Sexually impure”…? He could have every freaky kink in the book and I wouldn’t care at all…

              He raped and trafficked children.

              It’s not exactly “puritanism” to be mad about that. And we can still be mad about the imperialist invasion of Venezuela.

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                Yeah and he also killed many MANY more than he raped, yet they don’t matter as much, apparently.

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    It really doesn’t make sense to me. So they kidnap Maduro and his wife … and then what? What do they expect to happen in Venezuela? It will probably be chaos there.

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      Chaos until a Peace Nobel Prize winner takes the reigns and be Trump’s puppet, giving all the resources to USA corps to stay in power.

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        they will suspend midterms due to being at war - none of what they’re doing is the actions of a regime that could be removed via elections

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    I use this time in the morning to ease into my day. 5 am here in Western North Carolina. What the fuck is wrong with America? I am sick to my stomach right now.

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      What the fuck is wrong with America?

      Same as always. Not the first time you invade or sabotage a foreign country in order to hide your crumbling internal issues.

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          No to that user. This isn’t the “same as always”. The US just Pearl Harbored a country, and the excuse was “drug smugglers”.

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            Not the first time you invade or sabotage a foreign country in order to hide your crumbling internal issues.

            This is what they were referring to though, and in that regard what is wrong with the us now is the same as with what was wrong with the us before.

            But i do agree, the way the us did it this time is with a much bigger fuck you to international law and with much more idc what yall think to the international community.