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    If it means we can get citizenship somewhere else and get out… you’re offended by us figuring out our options? Oh how inconsiderate of us

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      It typically doesn’t. Most countries don’t care about where your ancestors came from. Being fluent in the local language and culture will generally give you a leg up if you already qualify for immigration so I hope your family kept those alive (and not Americanized versions like Irish-Americans wearing green on St. Patrick’s Day). But your ancestry is usually completely irrelevant.

      Those genetic test results absolutely don’t mean anything. If you’re culturally American with an American passport, you’re American and that’s it.

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        Kind of funny you specifically call out Irish-Americans, because Ireland does actually have some options for citizenship-by-descent. It’s not quite as simple as anyone with Irish ancestry can become a citizen, but it is a thing.

        If you have a grandparent who was born in Ireland you’re eligible

        Or if your parent was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth

        So hypothetically if you have a great grandparent born in Ireland, your parent could apply for Irish citizenship, even though their parents (your grandparents) weren’t citizens and had never set foot in Ireland

        And if they did that before you were born you would also be eligible

        And so on down the line to your children, and their children, etc. if everyone keeps on top of it.

        There’s actually a decent handful of countries with some sort of citizenship-by-descent, not a majority by a longshot, and of course every country that does offer it has different requirements and restrictions, but for some people it can potentially be a viable pathway to another citizenship.

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          i am not going to verify what you said, but regardless of if it is true, if your grandparents have the citizenship, you probably don’t need dna test to find that out…

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            It’s absolutely an edge case, but there are still a lot of wonky family situations out there, people who are estranged from their family for any number of reasons, adoption, people raised by their grandparents under the impression that they were their parents to hide the fact that their sister is really their mom and they were hiding a teen pregnancy, your mom cheated and your dad isn’t actually your father, etc.

            And sometimes that all stays under wraps until someone in the family takes a DNA test.

            I have a friend with a big family who just recently discovered that most of her aunts and uncles aren’t actually her grandfather’s biological children. She and her siblings haven’t done a test themselves and her father’s dead so the jury is still out on whether she’s blood related to him or not.

            But if she’s not, and she finds out who her actual biological grandfather is, it’s not impossible that that may open up a new pathway to citizenship through him.

            And laws change, as a hypothetical, let’s say Poland starts getting antsy (well, antsyer) about Russia doing Russia stuff and really wants more people to feed the war machine in case of WWII breaking out, they already have a citizenship by descent option but the proper documentation to qualify can be tricky, but if they decide they really want to increase immigration I don’t think it would be out of the question for them to open up a pathway for someone who can show a DNA test with X% polish ancestry. In that hypothetical it might be kind of an out-of-the-frying-pan-into-the-fire situation, but maybe it would still be preferable to the situation in someone’s home country.

            It’s just one more tool in the box that can open up new avenues for people to explore. It may not pan out for everyone or even most people who look into it, but in some small handful of cases it may save their lives.

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              but in some small handful of cases it may save their lives.

              in some small number of cases you may get hit by a meteorite during that search, so be careful.

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                In some small number of cases you may die in a house fire, and I’ll bet you have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers around just in case

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                  and I’ll bet you have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers around just in case

                  “smoke detectors everywhere” is not a norm everywhere in the world in a same way it is in usa.

                  “americans are not aware there is a world behind their borders” is already on a list in this thread, but thank you for practical presentation 😂

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                    Is this like a sex thing for you? Do you get off from being a contrary jackass?

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      We’re not talking to you in this thread, we’re talking about you. You don’t need to jump in with “but that’s not annoying!” After people answer the question OP posed, that’s not useful.

      This is ironically another annoying behaviour.

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        This is ironically another annoying behaviour.

        Unable to resist a challenge. But it’s usually the doubling- and tripling down that makes it really funny.

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        Oh, pardon me, I forgot you’re allowed to find someone seeking a path forward in life as dreadfully inconvenient, because where you were born grants you superiority, m’lord

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          Yes, we see it, you can stop demonstrating the annoying behaviour now.

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      Aww Cheesus that’s funny. I hope you weren’t serious. As if “having Italian genes” makes you eligible for a residence permit.

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      You don’t get citizenship just because you had ancestors there once.

      Otherwise everyone is an African citizen.

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      There is only one country that gives a flying shit about where your great-grandma allegedly came from, and that’s Israel. For every other country you’re not figuring out any options, you’re cosplaying.

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        It’s not quite the same, but I know someone who acquired Italian citizenship because their grandparents were Italian/had Italian citizenship. They don’t even speak Italian.

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          Italy has recently changed their requirements and now language proficiency and residency are required. But yes, up until very recently heritage was mostly enough.

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          They did not get citizenship because of their grandparents.

          They got a foot in the door because they knew someone living in Italy (if that even is the case), and then went through everything a normal migrant needs to go through.

          You don’t need to have ancestors there in order to live somewhere.

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            What are you even talking about? They both acquired it over Jure Sanguinis, both of them barely understand any Italian. They have dual Italian citizenship.

            Nobody said anything about needing ancestors to live somewhere else.

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        This is not true. I personally acquired citizenship of Lithuania for example, solely because my grandmother was born there and left during Soviet occupation (as many did). I speak no Lithuanian, have no other connection to the country, and have never even been there.