I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.

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    You mean like how what China really wanted during the Tiannamen Square massacre was revolts and civil war?

    The neoconfederates are already at the federal level, toppling the US constitution from the Executive and the Supreme branches of government, and two out of three is all that’s needed to subvert the last and weakest regardless of midterms, assuming they go to plan. Meanwhile people like you are thinking you are going to win by not fighting.

    The Trump administration doesn’t need to manufacture excuses, they make them up on the spot or wait for people to post-rationalize them - look at the Venezuelan invasion. What the administration is prodding for is the nail that sticks out so they can hammer it before it becomes a spiked club to get stricken by. The real problem isn’t revolts or fighting back against an unconstitutional federal government, the real problem is when they are singular and isolated due to attitudes that suppress them, and those attitudes are coming from both sides.

    The original US colonies reformed time and time again. The solidification into the indoctrination of an indivisible global power into the American psyche is an extension of the same sort of Manifest Destiny / Monroe Doctrine the US continues to extend today that serves the international corporations solidified into existence by the same Civil War.

    If you want to remain a single country, don’t expect the rest of the world to ever treat a nation the same again that on the flip of an administration burned all the bridges it took decades to build up through international cooperation and governance, at the very least not without the same sort of introspection Germany had to go through - something inconceivable to the American patriotic mindset. However, Nazi Germany needed to be defeated first. For Germany, was it better that there had to exist enough opposition to beat and subvert Nazi Germany, or would it have been better if the Nazi had been beaten internally by Germans themselves? The same is not going to happen for the US.

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      This is Trumps plan. He has been trying to find a sedition or act of rebellion since he took office. He needs to declare martial law to stop the 2026 election or he will be impeached.

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        He didn’t need a plan for January 6th. This isn’t a plan, this is an argument he will abuse to that end. Just because a dictator would twist an argument to his own ends does not stop making it a good argument.

        Trump has the executive branch, the most powerful branch of the government which he has already used to cause major staff turnover wherever he could.

        He has the judicial branch there to back them up.

        He might lose part of the legislative branch, the one in charge of legislation he is ignoring almost on a daily basis, whose impeachment process would take several months and would require the involvement of, you’ve guessed it, federal agencies.

        He can even handle losing one or two states by forcing martial law, which his ICE brown nosers are already acting like and being funded to the level off, as you say. I’ll quote myself again:

        The real problem isn’t revolts or fighting back against an unconstitutional federal government, the real problem is when they are singular and isolated due to attitudes that suppress them, and those attitudes are coming from both sides.

        You think this is Trump’s plan, and somehow think getting states to ignore the constitution and the system of law isn’t. ICE brown nosers are already acting like soldiers imposing their own martial law. Both are things he can exploit, and ironically enough he would have less of a hand in that of martial law since they would supersede ICE. Not that I have any hope of federal troops of doing the right thing, I just don’t see them as willing to do the wrong thing.

        But you can easily convince me that states shouldn’t rise up together against an unconstitutional and corrupt federal government. Tell me when in history a wannabe dictator has been stopped by following the proper process after they have subverted it to the degree while continually ignoring. Israel? Venezuela? Russia? The closest I can remember is South Korea’s Yoon - except that was possible due to their Constitutional Court not being subverted, their federal agencies not having been rolled over, and a national assembly that was able to impeach him, and even that had to make national headlines.

        By all means don’t rise up and fight by yourself, if that’s what you think I’m suggesting. The only way that will end up working is if it is coordinated across states. The fact is your system of government is already no longer functioning, whether you choose to act as if it is or not.