Our lives wouldn’t be so complicated if we had financial freedom via a UBI and didn’t have that metaphorical gun put to our heads to make us keep working forever.
Most animals do very little every day, humans are one of the only animals to have no resource scarcity but still work ourselves into an early grave from stress.
Uhm. Most animals live by the grace of chance and circumstance. Barely getting enough to sustain life.
I think I understand what you’re trying to say, but you can’t seriously think that pre-industrial age people were sitting around and doing nothing? Post-industrial age came with an explosion of people to match the new amount of resources. If we don’t produce the resources then people die.
Do you want a simpler life or an easier life? Those are two very different things.
But the fantasy of universal income is too farfetched. Who will produce the food? Are we to collectively agree that we take turns on producing the food?
I sure as hell don’t want that, and there lies the core issue. How do you force people to do things that they don’t want to do?
Lol, these downvotes. Explain the system instead. How do you propose to force people?
Why the hell do you immediately think of slavery? You don’t force people to do anything. If you need work done, you pay people to do it. Obviously.
And since workers have a guaranteed income to fall back upon, employers have no choice but to pay a fair wage. That’s the entire point.
Seriously, if you want to understand UBI, there are whole studies available online for your reading pleasure. There are dozens of books on the subject. Your question isn’t mysterious or insurmountable, but worse, it’s not even insightful. It reveals that you’ve never given it the slightest consideration or study. Do some work. You were down voted because you’re so wildly off-base as to not even be wrong.
Since you brought it up though, what do you think our current society intends to do with us besides slavery and genocide? And how do you propose to stop it?
Why the hell do you immediately think of slavery? You don’t force people to do anything. If you need work done, you pay people to do it. Obviously.
So just capitalism then. But with extra steps.
And since workers have a guaranteed income to fall back upon, employers have no choice but to pay a fair wage. That’s the entire point.
No…? The ones that work to produce would control the supply and the prices would reflect it. Kind of like that other system that starts with c.
Seriously, if you want to understand UBI, there are whole studies available online for your reading pleasure. There are dozens of books on the subject.
I’ve read plenty of articles about it, not sold on it. Was curious if anyone had any way to sell it. You just present it as capitalism, which i suppose is one way to do it. Though I would argue that people would stop doing necessary jobs, since they no longer need to work.
Capitalism is when a small amount of people own the means of production while doing no work and profiting off the labor of many. It isn’t when people buy and sell and work for money.
When you suggest that people must be forced to work, it demonstrates you don’t understand it at all.
UBI simply puts power back where it belongs, in the hands of the workers.
The post above yours would make more sense if we had reached a Star Trek level of future where the baseline population is educated enough to know what’s best for them and their own rights.
Unfortunately we are so very far away from it, sigh
Our lives wouldn’t be so complicated if we had financial freedom via a UBI and didn’t have that metaphorical gun put to our heads to make us keep working forever.
Most animals do very little every day, humans are one of the only animals to have no resource scarcity but still work ourselves into an early grave from stress.
Uhm. Most animals live by the grace of chance and circumstance. Barely getting enough to sustain life.
I think I understand what you’re trying to say, but you can’t seriously think that pre-industrial age people were sitting around and doing nothing? Post-industrial age came with an explosion of people to match the new amount of resources. If we don’t produce the resources then people die.
Do you want a simpler life or an easier life? Those are two very different things.
There are theories that hunter-gatherers worked significantly less. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society
I’m all for testing 6 hour work days.
But the fantasy of universal income is too farfetched. Who will produce the food? Are we to collectively agree that we take turns on producing the food? I sure as hell don’t want that, and there lies the core issue. How do you force people to do things that they don’t want to do?
Lol, these downvotes. Explain the system instead. How do you propose to force people?
Why the hell do you immediately think of slavery? You don’t force people to do anything. If you need work done, you pay people to do it. Obviously.
And since workers have a guaranteed income to fall back upon, employers have no choice but to pay a fair wage. That’s the entire point.
Seriously, if you want to understand UBI, there are whole studies available online for your reading pleasure. There are dozens of books on the subject. Your question isn’t mysterious or insurmountable, but worse, it’s not even insightful. It reveals that you’ve never given it the slightest consideration or study. Do some work. You were down voted because you’re so wildly off-base as to not even be wrong.
Since you brought it up though, what do you think our current society intends to do with us besides slavery and genocide? And how do you propose to stop it?
So just capitalism then. But with extra steps.
No…? The ones that work to produce would control the supply and the prices would reflect it. Kind of like that other system that starts with c.
I’ve read plenty of articles about it, not sold on it. Was curious if anyone had any way to sell it. You just present it as capitalism, which i suppose is one way to do it. Though I would argue that people would stop doing necessary jobs, since they no longer need to work.
Capitalism is when a small amount of people own the means of production while doing no work and profiting off the labor of many. It isn’t when people buy and sell and work for money.
When you suggest that people must be forced to work, it demonstrates you don’t understand it at all.
UBI simply puts power back where it belongs, in the hands of the workers.
Wrong. That would be oligarchy. But i can tell that you are confused since you present UBI as capitalism without even realizing it.
underrated comment.
The post above yours would make more sense if we had reached a Star Trek level of future where the baseline population is educated enough to know what’s best for them and their own rights.
Unfortunately we are so very far away from it, sigh