Please avoid any protests where people don’t know you’ll be taking your emotional support assault rifle that you’ll obviously quickdraw with to kill the cops before they kill you. Because you are the best at call of duty.
Remember to take credit for the work that the rest of us do once this shit is over, just like every other coward that acts like they are helping when its safe.
Studies show that violent actions or rhetoric are much less successful than peaceful movements, due to the many undecided people choosing to cooperate with the victimized.
But just like the civil rights movement, you violent fucks feel free to ride on our coat tails.
The Nazis took control because of a Splintered Left into multiple factions while the Right was united. The Nazis came for the communists first while the moderates watched, because the communists and moderates were almost as much each others enemies as the Nazis were.
Look to this example and think of a way to gain support and build trust. Find a way to show people of all different ideologies how horrible these events are and how their loved ones could be next regardless of their own beliefs or their own skin color.
The Nazis took control because of a Splintered Left into multiple factions while the Right was united. The Nazis came for the communists first while the moderates watched, because the communists and moderates were almost as much each others enemies as the Nazis were.
So exactly what is happening now? History is repeating, undesirables are being rounded up and the fascist dictator in charge of it has invaded a nearby country.
Surely if the Jews had only protested peacefully the Holocaust never would have happened.
I feel the need to both support and dismantle this argument.
The Civil Rights movement in the 60s was not at all peaceful. That is mostly revisionist history pushed as part of Black History Month. There were MANY groups involved but two of the most well known are The Black Panthers and those associated with Martin Luther King Jr. With the general nonsense being that MLK et al were actually anti-violence while the Black Panthers were borderline terrorists.
That is very incorrect. MLK et al were very much pro gun because they understood what they were facing. But they also were very very aware of what the US Government had already done in places like Tulsa and the many many times that Native Americans were slaughtered. Carrying a gun to a protest just gives the cops/soldiers an excuse to unload on you. Hence, there were very very VERY different protocols when marching versus… for lack of a better term, surviving in between marches. Terrified black and brown people desperate to live? Yeah, they’ll show up. The white masses who are sympathetic but not to the point of wanting to eat a bullet? Maybe keep them away from the bullets if you want the numbers?
Which gets to the other side that ALWAYS angers me when the gun nuts bring them up: The Black Panthers. Yes, they were a group with militaristic tendencies that engaged in “open carry patrols” to fight back against the cops. But… that isn’t what made them so successful. It was actually all of the community outreach programs. The student lunch program (specifically breakfast) actually owes a LOT to The Black Panthers, funny enough. As one of their tactics was to actually organize and feed kids in communities.
Which, again, is what the gun nuts forget. There is no “we are going to take off our masks and blend into the populace after shooting the bad guys” nonsense. If you engage in violence, you are putting a target on you and your family. And all the government has to do is say “We have reason to believe John Smith is hiding in this neighborhood. Turn him over”.
You know how you don’t get your ass beat and lynched in a heartbeat? By being part of your community. When they come for you, they come for everyone. And you do that through outreach and actually protecting your community. Not just going to the range and practicing your quick draw shooting. And that is why people genuinely loved the Black Panthers (… and it is a model that has been used by organized crime the world over…).
When the cops and state won’t protect a community? You look to those who do. And when the cops and state decide they want to hurt the people who have been protecting you? You return the favor. Because Jamal and Muhammed aren’t just black power activists who openly carry rifles. They are the guys who walked all those kids home from school when the cops (and the whites…) were raiding the neighborhood. They are the people who helped you fix your door. They have been there for you. Are you going to be there for them?
Guess who you don’t care about? That dipshit who waved a gun at a cop and got the Johnson family killed in the crossfire.
And modern day protests very much come out of the lessons of the Civil Rights Movement (with many of the oldhats having actually marched in that… and been regularly investigated by the cops ever since). Protests are peaceful. End of story. Anything that might not be peaceful? Never heard of it and anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. But maybe go get to know your local community organizers and, when they trust you, ask them about what nonsense that is.
Did the Black Panthers break into state and federal congresses and force everyone to comply with equal rights? No. No they fucking didn’t. What happened was people stood in solidarity with men like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the US Congress signed a bipartisan Civil Rights Act which was then signed into law by POTUS Lyndon B. Johnson.
US Law Enforcement was constantly hounding at Dr. King and the Black Panthers and every other group, the FBI and the CIA wanted open warfare against them and were preparing countless strategies for it, but sanity prevailed when we achieved a fair and democratic resolution. (well, the FBI and Black Panthers continued to feud for decades, but besides the point)
The intimidation tactics of the Black Panthers didn’t accomplish jack shit.
Please please go read a history book…almost all revolutions are born from violence. The oppressors don’t give a shit if you’re peaceful when they have no moral code.
Almost all revolutions fail miserably and the authoritarians they opposed use it as an opportunity to enforce martial law and expand their power. Germany and Spain being prime examples, and particularly relevant given the parallels between Trump and Hitler’s Gestapo.
Sometimes they succeed and give birth to even worse regimes, such as USSR, China, and Cuba.
Now look at what a successful revolution with a good outcome looks like: France. How did they do it? By organizing the entire population under their banner, and bankrupting the state, first.
Almost all revolutions fail miserably and the authoritarians they opposed use it as an opportunity to enforce martial law and expand their power. Germany and Spain being prime examples, and particularly relevant given the parallels between Trump and Hitler’s Gestapo.
They disarmed the jews…
Sometimes they succeed and give birth to even worse regimes, such as USSR, China, and Cuba.
Also disarmed the populous.
Now look at what a successful revolution with a good outcome looks like: France. How did they do it? By organizing the entire population under their banner, and bankrupting the state, first.
So you’re saying that the Chinese, Russian, and Cuban revolutions were successful because they were disarmed? And that’s why you want to arm the revolution in the USA?
I feel like you really just defeated yourself, honestly. Much like your idea of a protest will.
No. If somebody is going to be the asshole going strapped to a protest, that should very much be a very public discussion. So that others can take the appropriate precautions.
Because in the time it takes for the organizers to decide if that dumbfuck is an undercover cop or someone who is going to get everyone killed? The cops might see the bulge too.
Sure. That’s it.
Please avoid any protests where people don’t know you’ll be taking your emotional support assault rifle that you’ll obviously quickdraw with to kill the cops before they kill you. Because you are the best at call of duty.
Remember to take credit for the work that the rest of us do once this shit is over, just like every other coward that acts like they are helping when its safe.
Studies show that violent actions or rhetoric are much less successful than peaceful movements, due to the many undecided people choosing to cooperate with the victimized.
But just like the civil rights movement, you violent fucks feel free to ride on our coat tails.
Were the Nazis stopped by peaceful protests?
The Nazis took control because of a Splintered Left into multiple factions while the Right was united. The Nazis came for the communists first while the moderates watched, because the communists and moderates were almost as much each others enemies as the Nazis were.
Look to this example and think of a way to gain support and build trust. Find a way to show people of all different ideologies how horrible these events are and how their loved ones could be next regardless of their own beliefs or their own skin color.
So exactly what is happening now? History is repeating, undesirables are being rounded up and the fascist dictator in charge of it has invaded a nearby country.
Surely if the Jews had only protested peacefully the Holocaust never would have happened.
I feel the need to both support and dismantle this argument.
The Civil Rights movement in the 60s was not at all peaceful. That is mostly revisionist history pushed as part of Black History Month. There were MANY groups involved but two of the most well known are The Black Panthers and those associated with Martin Luther King Jr. With the general nonsense being that MLK et al were actually anti-violence while the Black Panthers were borderline terrorists.
That is very incorrect. MLK et al were very much pro gun because they understood what they were facing. But they also were very very aware of what the US Government had already done in places like Tulsa and the many many times that Native Americans were slaughtered. Carrying a gun to a protest just gives the cops/soldiers an excuse to unload on you. Hence, there were very very VERY different protocols when marching versus… for lack of a better term, surviving in between marches. Terrified black and brown people desperate to live? Yeah, they’ll show up. The white masses who are sympathetic but not to the point of wanting to eat a bullet? Maybe keep them away from the bullets if you want the numbers?
Which gets to the other side that ALWAYS angers me when the gun nuts bring them up: The Black Panthers. Yes, they were a group with militaristic tendencies that engaged in “open carry patrols” to fight back against the cops. But… that isn’t what made them so successful. It was actually all of the community outreach programs. The student lunch program (specifically breakfast) actually owes a LOT to The Black Panthers, funny enough. As one of their tactics was to actually organize and feed kids in communities.
Which, again, is what the gun nuts forget. There is no “we are going to take off our masks and blend into the populace after shooting the bad guys” nonsense. If you engage in violence, you are putting a target on you and your family. And all the government has to do is say “We have reason to believe John Smith is hiding in this neighborhood. Turn him over”.
You know how you don’t get your ass beat and lynched in a heartbeat? By being part of your community. When they come for you, they come for everyone. And you do that through outreach and actually protecting your community. Not just going to the range and practicing your quick draw shooting. And that is why people genuinely loved the Black Panthers (… and it is a model that has been used by organized crime the world over…).
When the cops and state won’t protect a community? You look to those who do. And when the cops and state decide they want to hurt the people who have been protecting you? You return the favor. Because Jamal and Muhammed aren’t just black power activists who openly carry rifles. They are the guys who walked all those kids home from school when the cops (and the whites…) were raiding the neighborhood. They are the people who helped you fix your door. They have been there for you. Are you going to be there for them?
Guess who you don’t care about? That dipshit who waved a gun at a cop and got the Johnson family killed in the crossfire.
And modern day protests very much come out of the lessons of the Civil Rights Movement (with many of the oldhats having actually marched in that… and been regularly investigated by the cops ever since). Protests are peaceful. End of story. Anything that might not be peaceful? Never heard of it and anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. But maybe go get to know your local community organizers and, when they trust you, ask them about what nonsense that is.
Did the Black Panthers break into state and federal congresses and force everyone to comply with equal rights? No. No they fucking didn’t. What happened was people stood in solidarity with men like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the US Congress signed a bipartisan Civil Rights Act which was then signed into law by POTUS Lyndon B. Johnson.
US Law Enforcement was constantly hounding at Dr. King and the Black Panthers and every other group, the FBI and the CIA wanted open warfare against them and were preparing countless strategies for it, but sanity prevailed when we achieved a fair and democratic resolution. (well, the FBI and Black Panthers continued to feud for decades, but besides the point)
The intimidation tactics of the Black Panthers didn’t accomplish jack shit.
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Please please go read a history book…almost all revolutions are born from violence. The oppressors don’t give a shit if you’re peaceful when they have no moral code.
Almost all revolutions fail miserably and the authoritarians they opposed use it as an opportunity to enforce martial law and expand their power. Germany and Spain being prime examples, and particularly relevant given the parallels between Trump and Hitler’s Gestapo.
Sometimes they succeed and give birth to even worse regimes, such as USSR, China, and Cuba.
Now look at what a successful revolution with a good outcome looks like: France. How did they do it? By organizing the entire population under their banner, and bankrupting the state, first.
They disarmed the jews…
Also disarmed the populous.
France…used guillotines…aka violence
So you’re saying that the Chinese, Russian, and Cuban revolutions were successful because they were disarmed? And that’s why you want to arm the revolution in the USA?
I feel like you really just defeated yourself, honestly. Much like your idea of a protest will.
No they became authoritarian when they disarmed the populous…again go read a history book.
These are conversations better had offline.
No. If somebody is going to be the asshole going strapped to a protest, that should very much be a very public discussion. So that others can take the appropriate precautions.
Because in the time it takes for the organizers to decide if that dumbfuck is an undercover cop or someone who is going to get everyone killed? The cops might see the bulge too.