“Fcking bitch,” Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed Renee Good, says in the video.*
A newly released cellphone video, apparently filmed by the ICE officer who killed Renee Nicole Good, and obtained by Minneapolis-based Alpha News, a conservative-leaning nonprofit news site, appears to sharply contradict the U.S. government’s public account of the fatal Wednesday shooting, raising new questions about whether the agent who opened fire was ever in immediate danger.
The footage was recorded on a cellphone by ICE officer Jonathan Ross, not by a department body camera. It captures Ross’s own perspective as he approaches Good’s maroon Honda Pilot during what the Department of Homeland Security claims was a federal operation in south Minneapolis.
Lol are you saying you wouldn’t have called her any names? Also, how do we know that was him talking? There were other officers around. IMO both parties made big mistakes. It all seems a bit contrived, but isn’t that the point?
“Big” mistakes. Hmm… One is saying “put on your big boy britches and get some lunch” and the other was “shooting an unarmed 37 year old mother three times in the face.”
Case closed.
Yeah if I shot someone in the face I’d probably feel bad and not call them a bitch, even if it was a nazi bootlicker defending this murderer.
Interesting. Do you think he knew immediately he had killed her? He seemed to call her a bitch(if it was him speaking) as she was driving off, before she hit the parked cars. Also, did the wife outside the car yell “drive, baby, drive” because she was afraid? The guy who shot her was walking around the car, but he didn’t draw his gun until he got in front and she started to hit the gas. They all had clear police markings on their uniforms, but what was the correct response from her in that situation(genuine question)?
Interesting, the video shows her backing up and then cutting the wheel HARD RIGHT, AWAY from the agent who EASILY SIDESTEPPED, and that is when he shot her point blank in the face with at least 2 rounds, and watched her slump over the wheel as the car accelerated straight into a post, all while spitting out “fuckin’ bitch” like he just fucking SHOWED HER.
It’s disgusting to see how many sociopaths like you exist in this world.
I agree there are a lot of sociopaths out there, but do you know what that word means? I’m asking some questions to get more people’s viewpoints on this because clearly a bunch of people don’t see it the way I do, which is confusing to me. Does that reaaaally make me a sociopath?
I would say yes, yes it does make you a sociopath by asking such questions in this thread that shows a woman being murdered from the perspective of the murderer.
You clearly lack the empathy and wherewithal to understand the nuance happening here, that anyone with empathy can see.
I suppose, yet again, if I(and textbooks) don’t agree with your definitions of empathy and sociopath, I’m in the wrong by default, but then, I guess you’re arguing “empathy” over logic, so it really shouldn’t be surprising. Thank you for helping me to understand your point of view, even if you don’t want to have a discussion.
Oh, I’m quite logical but read the room. This is not the time or place to pose those questions that you’re asking and you won’t get a logical answer for the most part.
I’m just noticing you attempting to make your point everywhere near the top of the thread and you’re getting confused as to why most people aren’t engaging with your rhetoric. I’m not mad at you, dude.
You really can’t miss a 9mm going off in your hand. He knew he fired
True. He definitely fired and he was at close range, but I’ve shot a 9mm at a target from close range too. Normally it doesn’t explode, so I have to take just a second to find the hole. His shot went through a window, cracking it and further obscuring the driver. Is it possible he didn’t know he had absolutely killed her or is that just crazy talk?
Irrelevant. He shot at her head multiple times from close range. Everything else you’re bringing up is just typical bootlicker distraction.
Not really. That first shot was almost justifiable because he was hit by the car immediately after the wife screamed “drive, baby, drive!”, but the next 2 shots were definitely indefensible. Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker? If you knew me, you definitely wouldn’t say that. Seems like you’re the bad faith actor here, just sayin.
No, because you’re defending a dude shooting someone for no reason.
No, because you’re defending the violence of a group who are going around masked and unmarked killing and abducting people without cause.
Bootlicker.
This is kinda ironic, because people are also calling me obtuse for asking some questions, which is quite the opposite of the definition. I’m not on either “side” and I definitely don’t agree with Trump or his administration, but that doesn’t seem to matter. Anyone who actually knows me IRL knows all that, but if I don’t agree with you 100% or have some questions, I’m a nazi bootlicker defending violence and fascists(which is pretty extreme when we’ve only exchanged a few words). If I met you on the street, I’d offer to buy you a beer and talk for a bit, but that isn’t even an option on the table in your mind.
I once worked at the Logansport state mental hospital in Indiana. There was a guy who had a rottweiler stuffed animal and would get very upset if he didn’t have it. I tried a few times to ask him about other dogs. He would listen and then just repeat what he knew about rottweilers again, verbatim, no matter what questions I would ask or pictures of other types of dogs, etc. I wasn’t even trying to change his mind, just understand his processing a little better, but he was not capable of having that depth of communication with another human being. This reminds me of that.
He fired ONE round through her windshield. He fired TWO rounds through her open driver’s side windows right into her head.
He then watched her slump over the steering wheel and the car accelerate away where it crashed into a post, as he called after it ‘fuckin’ bitch’
The videos are out there, it’s almost like you are being purposefully obtuse I wonder why HMMM
I believe they call this “JAQing off” (Just Asking Questions)
Hey sry man, I’m just not seeing what you’re describing in those videos. It isn’t quite that clear. You might just be right, but I’m just asking some questions. Doesn’t make me a nazi or something, no matter what you seem to think.
Yea in a crowded situation like that I’d think so, but in a crowd like that, you felt the kick where did it go? You sort of need to assume someone is shot
Fair enough.
Yep, I really don’t like it, but it’s not as clear cut as people think it is. Let the courts go through all the evidence and have them assess it.
The FBI will find no wrongdoing, no there won’t even be a court to go through it.
I agree and that’s probably exactly what’s going to happen. I’m honestly, genuinely just confused how half of the nation sees one thing and the other half sees the exact opposite in the same exact clips. Both halves would be willing to die on that hill(and a civil war would do exactly that). Is it mass manipulation or is half the nation just lying? The whole scenario is just unreal and no one seems to know(or care) exactly why.
Same shit happens every time anything like this happens. During the occupy wall street stuff, a video came out of a cop bumping into a protester with his motorcycle. Obviously an aggressive and unwarranted move, but it was barely a nudge, and the protester collapsed in a heap screaming like a slasher movie bimbo. It was so obviously a dive. But still, anyone on the left had to scream police brutality and speculate on the severity of the protester’s injuries, while anyone who pointed out that it wasn’t that bad was labeled as a bootlicker, and “defending the cops”. Same shit, just the roles are reversed from time to time.
I absolutely agree.
What mistake was made by the victim?
From what I see in the footage(the far-away angle), she dropped someone off(presumably her child) and just parked sideways in the street for a while, blocking most of it, which isn’t wise if ICE just happens to be on that same street and needs to use it, even if you don’t agree with them. When approached by officers, regardless of whether they were 100% following proper procedure, most people would just turn the car off and comply, choosing to fight it in court later and win one of the many successful lawsuits other civilians have won in the past. Instead, after watching him walk around her vehicle filming, she chose to listen to her wife, who yelled “drive, baby, drive” and hit the gas. Whether she was a victim or a criminal, that was foolish because she clearly did it before he pulled his gun(obviously the conservative crowd would argue that was what made him do it, but who really knows).
For the record, I’m not defending the guy who shot her either. Even if the first shot he fired was justified, the 2nd and 3rd shots were not.
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One month old account and this is the only topic you’re responding to. High probability that you are an extreme loser.
Ya know, this might get buried, but I’ll say it anyways. I’m almost 40 and I’ve seen a few things, but I’m not so much upset as just confused. How can everyone in this country watch the same video and half of them say it’s definitely one way while the other half say it’s definitely the other way? That’s happened more than once in the past few years, which is why I say it seems contrived. I’m not a republican or a democrat. I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser? Can we have an actual conversation? I’ll refrain from sarcasm and name calling if you will.
Because half of America has been brainwashed by Fox News to believe that liberals should be murdered.
A poorly trained US government agent just executed a mother of 3, whose last words were “that’s fine dude, I’m not mad at you”, while he spat FUCKIN’ BITCH after her corpse. There used to be a time the Republicans would be screaming that this is an abuse of government power, now they all have erections and are frothing at the mouth in their excitement of the execution of a liberal.
Ok, but isn’t that pretty fucking extreme?! I’m not saying you’re wrong at all, but if you’re right, at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda. I’m no stranger to conspiracy theories, but are you saying we’re coming to the culmination of all that?
It’s not hidden at all, this is the culmination of almost 70 years of work by the right wing.
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Interesting. So what comes next? Civil war or hostile conservative takeover? I’m certainly not arguing we aren’t headed for fascism.
Yeah, probably. Centrism is a loser ideology.
Except when you realize that both parties - aside from a few specific Democrats - are totally right of centre.
Like, the Democrats are moderate but solid right-wing neoliberalists, and the Republicans are off-the-deep-end alt-right fascists. So there isn’t a “centrist” position because there is no-one left of centre to balance things out; there is no in-between position that is actually at the centre of the political spectrum.
Even AOC and Bernie would be considered centrists anywhere else in the world. So any use of the word “Centrism” within the bounds of American politics really means “strong right-wing”.
And when almost everyone is right of centre, they really can be grouped together as being equally evil and hostile to the common man.
Now, if you were to look at any first-world country with an actually-functional democracy, you would be correct, because these countries actually have socialist parties that advocate for the masses, and seek to advance the needs of the common citizen. But I digress…
Agreed, but what’s the alternative? I can’t get on board with Libertarians either.
For the other side: how is it justified for him to be firing at the car at all?
His feet in the video clearly show that he was hit, even if it wasn’t that hard. He could have avoided it by stepping aside, but that doesn’t change the fact that her tires were turned towards him when she hit the gas, but she quickly turned the other way to avoid him. Was that on purpose? Who knows, but it makes sense to me that he would want to fire at the car if he believes he’s about to be run over, which would be true whether he’s a demon or an angel(the same being true for calling her a bitch immediately after). Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s justified according to the law, just like if someone hits you in the face, many people’s reaction would be to hit back, even though that might not be the right thing to do. Beyond that, we have many years of videos of police interactions with people where they did have to shoot, sometimes when someone tried to run them over, which would be vehicular homicide. That’s the case for justification.