Trump also told the Times that he isn’t opposed to using nuclear force if he “needed it” to take over the Arctic island but that “it might upset NATO," since the island is a self-governing territory of NATO member country Denmark.

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    Uh, well if the transition goes very poorly, uh, WW3 starts and maybe we all get nuked, so, you might wanna care about that.

    And … given what you’re saying now… by ‘this whole thing over and behind us’ and you ‘just want to be rid of them’… you mean…

    … just, ctrl+z on the entire history of the US?

    You mean the US becomes ‘normal’ by some other other country or countries standard of ‘normal’?

    My point remains, you have to get from point A to point B, somehow, whatever your definition of point B is.

    No disagreement that US has sucked in a whole lotta extremely horrible ways, since before day 1… but… my point is that wishful thinking is pointless, its actually just virtue signalling.

    You’re just saying that… the US should just magically go away or transform… somehow…?

    Yep, US bad, we agree.

    US bad, but what do about US bad?

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      I agree. People are understandably distraught and need to vent, even though that venting might not make the most rational sense.

      In the end, I think any “capital-S” State power can have fingers pointed at all the ways it’s abused that power regardless of the consent of the governed.

      There are still good things people of the US have done (even still doing, however ignored and against the odds), good people are everywhere, and to say “US always bad burn it all” feels like an emotional and lazy take that abdicates the responsibility to combat evil, and lets it run roughshod with a shrug.

      We must hope fiercely that we can replace this flawed and exploited system with something better, or we have nothing to fight for. “Something that’s not this” is not good enough and won’t unite people to make a difference.