• hector@lemmy.today
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      3 hours ago

      Yes but rogan’s betrayal was not possible without the party forcing unwinnable strategies with the most unpopular choice, without a single challenge. None for house or senate either.

      First thing is first, the dem party running opposition is multiplying this massive formula by zero right at the start.

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        Not entirely sure why you’re getting downvoted, yeah, I’m sure not close to a fraction of what has happened would happen under Kamala, but, they are beholden to the exact same billionaire Epstein class donors that the other side was, and she wouldn’t have cut out the rot that was festering in the idiot swamp. It would just keep festering.

        We certainly have the benefit of hindsight, and I could have told any one it would be bad, but a lot of this seems like it might have been inevitable one way or another. You might as well call the dems controlled opposition with how inept they’ve been in the face of existential threat. The fight is hardly left/right, it’s up/down. It’s just the upper class knows to use the violent people in the lower class against each other, through desperation and propaganda, while they all collude at the top.

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          The dems are still playing good cop to r bad, for donors. Ratcheting to plutocracy.

          But r’s are not playing bad cop, they are playing hitler, in the open, for a faction of that plutocracy. We all knew it or should have. Anointing kamala without challenge to run as status quo against a reform ticket is beyond foolish, into knowingly throwing the game.

          Arguing kamala is better misses that she could not win and anyone that did not realize that lacks credibility on any subject.

          Until they admit they were wrong to trust the establishment, and outlines how they are going to change that.

          Frankly it is the least they must do if we want to take the country from the party openly planning on fixing elections and persecuting the opposition and you know, the whole nazi thing.

          Probably too late already. Maybe a chance in the succession, with a Popular Reform ticket aggressively pursuing a New Deal.

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        Kamala was objectively a better choice than Trump, it was obvious to anyone who wasn’t brain rotted by people like Rogan.

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          Syphillis is objectively better than aids.

          But it was not going to win the election, much less restore the republic.

          We knew being not the other guy was not enough, that the other guys are nazis, that the electorate does not know that.

          So explain to me why forcing a doomed to fail strategy is not disqualifying for dem establishment figures?

          Even now you regurgitate their projections of blame? Why should anyone trust your analysis of anything if you still trust those establishment conservatives to run the dem party while you are at it?

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              You cannot be serious. I levied questions about how the election was thrown by the dems from the start.

              You cannot answer with reason.

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                The reasonable choice was to vote for Kamala out of sheer harm reduction. Throwing a hissy fit and taking your ball and going home because you think we should be playing a different game helped nobody.

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                  You are vote shaming which is neither here nor there.

                  The question is knowing status quo candidates whose only selling point is they are harm reduction, was not enough to win, let alone with the most unpopular candidate they had on offer, never breaching 30 pc approval all term pre anointation, the vp of a prez at 40 pc for 3 years.

                  You knew the situation, but trusted the same people that gave us hillary and biden, to run a doomed to fail strategy.

                  So how is it reasonable to appoint kamala, and accept her and the status quo strategy knowing it was throwing the game?

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                I’m Canadian dipshit, I don’t have any particular connection to one party or the other. It was clear as day that Kamala was a status quo politician, and Trump was going to do pretty much what he is doing. Actually I didn’t think Trump would be this bad in fact.

                There is just no universe where you justify that having a milquetoast politician is worse than whatever the fuck this fascist nightmare is. And it was clear as day to anyone who wasn’t an abject moron.

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                  You call me a dipshit, but I knew kamala would lose and you did not.

                  What does that make you?

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              Typical, counter attacking, however lamely, to avoid taking responsibility. You have no logical arguments so you have to resort to those tricks the dem establishment taught you to stop any realignment.

              More proof your analysis, stated opinions, are worth nothing to those in reality. Either pretending to believe dems are a credible party and lying to our faces, or believing it.

              If the former you would think neoliberal surrender to fascists is in your interest, so your understanding is laughably wrong and disqualifying in either case.