Would community defense organizing be good?
First, contact as many people as you can, especially local ICE watch orgs. A lot have hotlines which you may be able to find with a web search. Next start recording. Delay as long as possible. Ask for a warrant, stay calm and maybe try to negotiate as a stall tactic. This will hopefully give community members time to arrive and record or hopefully apply pressure if they are brave and numerous enough. It is possible to intimidate and drive them back with enough numbers.
All else fails at this point I would not fight back and allow yourself to be arrested. Most citizens being arrested right now are being released. The courts are slow but still upholding the law for now. If you are not a citizen then your options might not be as good. Fighting back is likely to get you injured or killed but if you have an escape route it could be worthwhile, especially if you can escape in areas where motor vehicles can’t go. Their level of fitness is generally low so they can’t give chase for long, and as long as you’re not high profile you might be safe once you get away, though you’ll likely need to lie low somewhere.
If you’re asking what to do about the current political situation in a broader sense then I have different answers.
Alone, you are out-manned and out-gunned. Community is probably the best bet as bullies rely on uneven strength for their confidence. They’re untrained and want an easy target. Don’t give them it
I really wish there are free community defense classes
What kind of classes? Shooting? If so I’d say shooting won’t help much unless you have a community response to those threatening you. It just gives ammunition to those calling the American population dangerous, and trying to break them into groups so they can exploit hatred and fear. I believe that standing by all “groups” no matter what is what needs to happen. When someone tries to divide to conquer, the best answer I can see is avoiding any divides. The problem is it works on so many people, that about 30% of the country agrees that they have enemies in the country. Yet those people they think are enemies… Are no one they know, and would take as a friend if they were their neighbor.
Edit: that’s said as someone taught to shoot when I was 8 and has owned guns from 18, I’m 36. Guns aren’t the answer without community
All groups with one caveat. No Nazis. They can go fuck themselves.
2A. What it was intended for.
Unless you’re actually breaking the law and they’re not fake cops. In that instance you’re the asshole.
Some would argue that shooting real cops wouldn’t make you an asshole either.
You still wouldn’t be legal for doing so. But I wouldn’t say someone is an asshole just because they killed a cop.
Castle law exists for a reason.
Hence the “and”.
Imo; fuck them pigs.
Do NOT proper fuck them
I know from experience, that cops enjoy being hate pegged by lesbians.
I mean, not my OWN experience, but lesbians have told me what they did.
Fight, die, shrug emoji.
You excerise your rights provided to you by the constitution. Have a lawyer and video tape everything you can and fuck it do it live.
Kill or be killed.
Better to die fighting then to die on your knees.
Blast them with piss, fling feces in their faces, go full primate. 🐒
Buy a gun
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: What about invoking the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution (which by the way gives you the right against self-incrimination)?
ICE don’t care about the law, as evidenced by everything they’ve done ever.
Personally I’d just comply. They’re thugs, not law enforcement. They’ll hurt you and there will be no recourse available. If they’re there for someone else, I’d probably comfort that person and ask if there’s someone they’d like me to call.
Found the spy
Honestly if I value your own life and survival, which most people do, your best bet is to be docile and comply.
Actual resistance is better done planned in advance, the US even helpfully write its own guide during WW2
Surrender and recognize you might get a listing in the back of a history book someday, if they don’t win. PS: They will likely win.
If NOT surrendering, can community defense be good? Are you a nihilist or a pessimist?
If you’re the person being arrested, your options are to surrender or fight and hope they only beat you within an inch of your life without actually killing you (with the understanding that the chances of them killing you are increasing every day). Unless you manager to use legal force against them in which case you are 100% dead.
Community defense is when OTHER people come to rescue you, typically using nonviolent methods to harass and inhibit the agents until they give up and leave. Of course, the chances that agents will just kill them are increasing every day, too. Either way, once you’ve been targeted you’ll likely need to go into hiding, and engaging legal council is probably a good idea even if you’re a citizen.
I don’t think this is pessimistic or nihilistic. I feel like it’s a pretty accurate assessment of the likely possibilities. I’m open to hearing other interpretations, though.
If not surrendering, you’re toast, community or not. They’ll kill you for resisting before your community can mobilize. So you end up in a different list in the back of a history textbook.
Of those two, I lean toward classical nihilist; I believe nothing but what I’ve experienced in my own self. Pessimists believe that everything gets worse; My hope is that it change for the growth of our game.
Of those two, I lean toward classical nihilist; I believe nothing but what I’ve experienced in my own self. Pessimists believe that everything gets worse; My hope is that it change for the growth of our game.
So to you, nothing matters, so it DOESN’T matter if nothing matters?
