You are currently spending your energy defending a company
I’m not defending anyone. I am just looking at a stated claim (Bluesky is as bad as Twitter because they verified ICE) and evaluating if it has merits. I don’t think it does.
If a newspaper you enjoy reading
The “newspaper I enjoy reading” is the WWW. The reason that I don’t buy newspapers is because I want to keep the power to curate the information that I receive. As long as I am reasonably in control of the information that I can access, I see no point in complaining about it.
If you want to make a parallel to Reddit: despite it being 99% filled with crap that I don’t care about, I could use it just fine and ignore all the drama. But when they decided to change the terms of the API and they were trying to force the specific channel to use to access it, then I immediately “stopped enjoying it” and went on to work on a solution to be back in control.
I’m not defending anyone. I am just looking at a stated claim (Bluesky is as bad as Twitter because they verified ICE) and evaluating if it has merits.
I don’t think that’s the claim, at least that’s not the way I’m reading it.
Here is the quote we are discussing:
Wow. Bluesky has just welcomed and
verified ICE.
For anyone still thinking Bsky is a real
alternative to Twitter: No, it’s not.
Mastodon is. Bsky is just X at its infancy.
Let me spell it out the way I understand it:
Bluesky is knowingly hosting nazis. The verification here just displays the mens rea: rather than them just not noticing the account, they know about it and still haven’t banned it.
Bluesky is not as bad as Twitter right now. However, this is the quintessential beginning of a Nazi bar, which means it will eventually become as bad as Twitter.
The Fediverse is not knowingly hosting nazis. Instances ban nazi accounts, and those that don’t are considered nazi instances and are quickly defederated by 99% of other instances. This is the minimum that I expect of Bluesky too, since it’s a centralized platform and should be better at moderation.
As long as I am reasonably in control of the information that I can access, I see no point in complaining about it.
I think there is a significant problem in platforming nazis. It gives this vile ideology a voice and a means to spread. Especially given the state of media literacy and critical thinking in the West, a lot of people don’t know how to control which information they see, and makes them susceptible to this manipulation. Fascism is rising through social media misinfo right now, as we discuss this, so it is very important to complain about it as loud as possible.
I don’t use or support Bluesky.
I’m not defending anyone. I am just looking at a stated claim (Bluesky is as bad as Twitter because they verified ICE) and evaluating if it has merits. I don’t think it does.
The “newspaper I enjoy reading” is the WWW. The reason that I don’t buy newspapers is because I want to keep the power to curate the information that I receive. As long as I am reasonably in control of the information that I can access, I see no point in complaining about it.
If you want to make a parallel to Reddit: despite it being 99% filled with crap that I don’t care about, I could use it just fine and ignore all the drama. But when they decided to change the terms of the API and they were trying to force the specific channel to use to access it, then I immediately “stopped enjoying it” and went on to work on a solution to be back in control.
I don’t think that’s the claim, at least that’s not the way I’m reading it.
Here is the quote we are discussing:
Let me spell it out the way I understand it:
Bluesky is knowingly hosting nazis. The verification here just displays the mens rea: rather than them just not noticing the account, they know about it and still haven’t banned it.
Bluesky is not as bad as Twitter right now. However, this is the quintessential beginning of a Nazi bar, which means it will eventually become as bad as Twitter.
The Fediverse is not knowingly hosting nazis. Instances ban nazi accounts, and those that don’t are considered nazi instances and are quickly defederated by 99% of other instances. This is the minimum that I expect of Bluesky too, since it’s a centralized platform and should be better at moderation.
I think there is a significant problem in platforming nazis. It gives this vile ideology a voice and a means to spread. Especially given the state of media literacy and critical thinking in the West, a lot of people don’t know how to control which information they see, and makes them susceptible to this manipulation. Fascism is rising through social media misinfo right now, as we discuss this, so it is very important to complain about it as loud as possible.