you can program anybody to like you, just because we’re complex beings doesn’t mean we don’t have consistent behavioural traits
Sadly yup. Not quite everyone the same way, but psychology is still pretty scary. Thankfully the manosphere mostly isn’t anywhere neae what actually works with their bs
Yeah, none of them are anything like the ghoul in fallout.
OP this isn’t going to help you get laid.
One of those fun moments you can respond to a comic with a comic:
Not even once? Weird!
First I thought it was a manual for how to have sex with vending machines or some new kind of vending machine that sells sexual services or something.
Japan has entered the chat…
They all say that until the Pavlovian response comes in.
(Works for men too!)
Who were the 72 incels who downvoted this?
Wow you did it, you solved incels /s
It’s a bit of an overgeneralization to act like men are sex-obsessed and view relationships as a transaction where they can purchase sex by being nice.
It’s human to want love and care, but so many people view men as only wanting sex, so if a man complains about being lonely, isolated, or being unloved, it seems like everyone jumps to the conclusion that he’s only talking about sex. Then they scorn him, reinforcing the pattern of loneliness and building the sense of frustration and being a victim of ostracization.
Likewise, if a man is kind to a woman he’ll generally be regarded with suspicion, like “what are you trying to get out of this?” Some people just value kindness and try to be nice for the sake of being nice; but if it lands them with accusations and scorn then it’ll only go on so long before they stop. And then people will scorn them either for being rude to women or snubbing them. It seems it’s impossible to be a man in the vicinity of women without opening oneself to being labeled as a misogynist, no matter what you do.
The reality is that men are also conscious and complex human beings, and depicting them as these simple and one-dimensional sex pests isn’t really moving the dialogue forward. All it does is give women a temporary feeling of moral superiority which they then chase like any other addiction.
men […] view relationships as a transaction
Meanwhile all the studies showing numbers (and reason behind them) of women who view relationship and sex as a transaction and trade sex for something, including a man being nice to them: Am I a joke to you?
(And more studies on “sugar daddy”, e.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33433242/ )
Tldr: it’s not even overgeneralization, it’s diminishing the female agency in the trade. Which I think is worse.
Likewise, if a man is kind to a woman he’ll generally be regarded with suspicion, like “what are you trying to get out of this?”
Maybe it is just me, but I don’t think I’ve been viewed with suspicion because of simply being nice. If you’re sincere and nice, then this typically doesn’t happen. If you’re known as kind of a dick and you switch to being nice, people will take notice. If you’re being seen as love-bombing, you will be seen as suspect. While I agree men should not be typecast as only sex driven, I’m curious how this part of your argument came into it…
Ah, then you must also have the privilege of being either conventionally attractive, endowed with good social skills, well-integrated into an accepted social group, or some combination of the above.
But go ahead and say anyone who has none of the above is probably a dick if he faces ostracization cause he probably deserves it.
The comic doesn’t talk about ‘all men’ or even ‘men’ at all. There are all sorts of people acting like this and if you don’t, you don’t have to defend yourself or attack your imagined adversary.
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. What wonderingwanderer says is true as well, but honestly not relevant to this comic. Comics with this type of messaging often very explicitly call out men (even those that don’t treat women as such), which leads to a hostile counter response. This one just says “you’re a dummy if you treat women like this”, which yeah. You probably are, if not worse. But unlike many other examples it could literally also apply to other women, (eg. lesbians), non-binary, or other folks who objectify women. They are exceedingly rare I would bet, but things like TERFs exist too sadly.
Within context, it was very clearly directed towards men. If it were implicitly directed at any other demographic, it would be called a dogwhistle. So how is it not a dogwhistle?
You’re right, men who act like that are pigs. Or perhaps more charitably, sheltered and clueless how social interaction work with anyone, especially social interactions with women.
But there’s a lot of ground between “male with poor social skills tries to be nice and struggles with constant rejection” and “male demands sex as payment for basic pleasantries,” the former of which seems more like a caricature than anything based in reality, and anyone who actually behaves like that would be shunned into oblivion.
In any case, the implication that anyone lacking social skills is a chauvinist pig is worn-out and unwelcome.
So if someone makes a comic titled “Men: a guide for dummies” and the two slides are “Not this way: (picture of a vending machine where “sex” is the input and “money/free dinner/free drinks” is the output)” and “this way: (picture with a man that says “complex, conscious human being that you can’t program to buy you things”),” would that be any different?
Because in my view, both are exploiting harmful stereotypes by making an overgeneralization about the implied opposite gender. You’re defending OP’s example, but somehow I expect you wouldn’t be too happy about the one described above…
And by the way, if I had simply replied “not all men” to OP’s comic, then I would have been mocked and ridiculed by people claiming that’s just a manosphere dog whistle. But now it’s okay for you to say it doesn’t apply to all men when you’re backtracking and attempting to diminish the concern that this plays on a harmful stereotype that’s not-so-subtly directed towards men as a general category?
“Don’t worry, not all women are golddiggers. If you’re not one then you don’t need to defend yourself or attack your imagined adversary when you see a post titled ‘Dilbert Creator’s insta thot wife disappears with prenup pension.’”
Same shit, different direction.
so many people view men as only wanting sex, so if a man complains about being lonely, isolated, or being unloved, it seems like everyone jumps to the conclusion that he’s only talking about sex. Then they scorn him, reinforcing the pattern of loneliness and building the sense of frustration and being a victim of ostracization.
Precisely.
Some people just value kindness and try to be nice for the sake of being nice; but if it lands them with accusations and scorn then it’ll only go on so long before they stop. And then people will scorn them either for being rude to women or snubbing them.
Not only that, but that will mean that the only men remaining, who haven’t stopped, are that minority that are being transactional, which further distorts women’s perception of men as a whole.
The reality is that men are also conscious and complex human beings, and depicting them as these simple and one-dimensional sex pests isn’t really moving the dialogue forward. All it does is give women a temporary feeling of moral superiority which they then chase like any other addiction.
Couldn’t have said it any better myself.
Back around 2010, my girlfriend of the time ended up on someone’s page detailing how to pick up girls, and shortly prompting readers to buy their pheromone based product (obvious scam, but that’s not the point now). She got super upset. Outraged, even. She went on a rant about how she’s not a fucking moth that can just be lured by silly simple stuff like that.
About a year later we took part in a competition where two attendees (2 girls, maybe a year or two younger) were desperately looking for accommodation. One of our rooms was empty that day, so we offered that to them with another flatmate (my GF wasn’t around that day).
When she had heard about the whole thing, she got rather jealous. Didn’t matter how much I explained it to her that I am boringly faithful, that I only love her and I didn’t care about the girls romantically, or that I have always been like this: in her mind, if a guy is “alone” with 2 girls for the night (daytime is fine, but mystically, horny zombification happens at full moon), he will be as easy to seduce as it gets, not matter what (like any of those two girls wanted anything, anyway).
Am I a fucking moth, then? It goes both ways.
Whoa, when I posted this I didn’t expect anyone to actually agree with me. Thanks for renewing my hope in the world!
Many do, wondering wanderer, many do.
Try to remember the 80/20 rule (may not be accurate with those exact numbers) 80 % of people on here are invisible and rarely make themselves noticed.
The vocal minority skews perceptions but are often rather noisy about their opinions…which is just like my opinion, man
Unfortunately, the vocal 20% on the internet tend to create an echo chamber effect, which then bleeds into real-world social interactions.
That’s why it’s not unheard of for a man to say hi to a woman at a bar, only for her friends to immediately butt in and go “Stop trying to rape her!” as if simply saying hello is synonymous with attempted rape nowadays…
And it doesn’t help actual victims of rape either, because it desensitizes people to the word. How is anyone supposed to “believe victims” by default if it’s become normal to cry “rape” at the slightest misstep?
It’s a bit of an overgeneralization to act like men are sex-obsessed and view relationships as a transaction where they can purchase sex by being nice.
I sincerely hope you are a woman overreacting in defense of the other gender. Because if you’re a man, you need to learn to appreciate some self-depreciating humor without getting butthurt. I could chuckle at the comic, because as usual, there is a (big) grain of truth in it.
So you’re saying my argument is only valid if I’m a woman? And if I’m a man, I just need to learn to be more self-deprecating? What kind of double-standard is that?
Good luck trying to tell women to “appreciate some self-deprecating humor without getting butthurt.” I’m sure that will turn out well for you.
Or is it only men who need to be self-deprecating? Cause again, that would be a double standard.
And if you find it self-deprecating to laugh at “men think sex is transactional,” then you’re telling on yourself. This comic is about you, so don’t act morally superior to men who don’t identify with it.
okay never mind, this topic is clearly going way over your head.
Alright, but what exactly are those packages in the vending machine? What do packages of sex look like? Will rocking the machine back and forth shake out free packages? Can we use the coin on a string trick or get our hand stuck in the door?
I feel there’s so much we’re missing here.
Post needs text alternative.
Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative:
- usability
- we can’t quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR
- text search is unavailable
- the system can’t
- reflow text to varied screen sizes
- vary presentation (size, contrast)
- vary modality (audio, braille)
- accessibility
- lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc)
- some users can’t read the image due to lack of alt text (markdown image description)
- users can’t adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments
- systems can’t read the text to them or send it to braille devices
- searchability: the “text” isn’t indexable by search engine in a meaningful way
- fault tolerance: no text fallback if
- image breaks
- image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.
Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.
Digital Underground made an entire song explaining sex packets.
- usability
I will fuck the vending machine 🙏 thx
There’s even a screen to provide some visual stimulation which is probably needed to help you forget that you’re currently being fellated by a machine like a cow being milked.
L O L
I guarantee that some guys would be into that.
That coin slot has me feelin all kinds of ways
I’m more of a coin return man myself
The slotussy is lubricated fr fr chat
There’s always a solution
The pernicious algorithm:
The comic lands because it’s really about basic respect and communication, not “rules.” Simple ideas, but easy to forget.
Ok but where’s the sex vending machine from the first panel? WHERE???
Reminds me of one of Bender’s lovers from Futurama.
The Crushinator
I’m sure vending machines in Japan will provide sex toys and there are life-sized realistic dolls on sale online.
So we know where not to go, right?
…of course
If you’re just after sex and can’t get any via casual hook ups from bars / dating apps / fetish groups then just pay a consenting adult for sex.
If you’re after genuine human connection and a relationship then you should work on yourself to be someone you’d like to be in a relationship with.
The only way to know you can’t get any is to try tho. If you try you end up in this generalisation.
Don’t forget about half of the world weirdly has made paying a consenting adult for sex illegal and extremely punishable beyond all fucking reason.
A quarter has made it quasi illegal or legal in a sense that basically is so limited it might as well be illegal
And the last quarter it’s legal. Which is basically just South America and the middle part of Western Europe.
It makes it easier to victimize them while similtaeneously pretending it is them that are doing the wrong thing. Cops are professional rapists.
Because sex workere get exploited! If they loved it, they’d do it free!
Do you believe that anytime anyone agrees to do something, but only if they get paid, that they’re being exploited?
Maybe…
I’m antiwork.
Good luck getting enough volunteers to work in and maintain a sewer system.
Instructions unclear. Vending machine now prangent.
Congrats. It’s a cool ranch Doritos.
Pregante!
How to get progant?
Am I gregnatenatte?
Olé!
I was just trying to grab a couple starch masks and, boom, gregnant
Impregnated…
It’s not “be nice goes here” it’s “fruit flavored alcohol goes here.”
Virgins.
Oh god it’s the guy that ruined ghb for the entire world.
For virgin cocktails you don’t use fruit flavoured alcohol.
If I had a dime for every time fruit flavored alcohol got me laid…
I’d have a bit less than 0.09€ because the dollar ain’t doing too good.
