The really striking thing about the contingent of non-Americans in this thread who are blaming all Americans, even specifically those who oppose Trump, is that I can’t imagine a psyop doing a better job of fracturing the American left and isolating the US.
I think Lemmy is still small enough that the people who are vomiting on the anti-Trump Americans and insisting on collective blame are probably real people, who don’t know how to direct their anger (which is quite depressing). But to explain, I actually can’t think of what Russia would do differently to accomplish (1) transposing anger against Trump into anger against all Americans, which helps (2) sever international support to internal American anti-Trump protesters, and thereby (3) weaken internal American resistance to Trump by making those of us here who opposed Trump feel and be even more isolated.
Solidarity across borders seems like a better approach. Seems like you would feed the tree you want to grow, and starve the invasive weed you don’t, instead of just relieving oneself on both. But what do I know, I’m just a stupid American.
Yes much better said that I can produce in my current emotional state. This is a class war and they are abusing Americans by separating us from those that care about us (our allies).
From a non-American’s viewpoint, most Americans seem very content to only vent online about how they didn’t vote for this but they don’t seem to be holding their congress and senate representatives to task to get Trump out of office, now. There is a possibility of a general strike on Friday - it should be throughout the USA. In every city. Let your reps know that you are not just attending the odd protest but that citizen demand change immediately. They can impeach or Amendment 25 him out right now. No waiting for the slight possibility that there might still be an election in November. Trump isn’t obeying any other laws or the constitution so he can’t be expected to hold and then abide by an election many more months away. Americans do not seem, from the world’s view, to be treating Trump with the urgency that is needed.
I’ve contacted my “representatives” multiple times. Every time, the response is nothing or 🖕. I go to protests. I move my spending accordingly. I also have two parents getting very old who need care, a wife, and a pesky need to feed ourselves. Fleeing the country is not an option right now.
The guy literally has said you’ll never have to vote again and has recently been teasing the idea of skipping the upcoming election. If american streets are still empty of angry citezens after that election is canceled, we are truly cooked.
A widespread general strike will likely never happen because most people would be fired on the spot if they told their boss they were going on a strike. If you get fired, you don’t qualify for unemployment, and most people are only a single paycheck away from being homeless. I guess people from a lot of countries do not understand this concept because they had the privilege of actual workers rights.
We’ve been protesting. The frustration you have from thinking we’re doing nothing is the same frustration we have with the so called Representatives sitting with their thumbs up their asses. They don’t care what we think. They straight up make fun of us for trying. With the exception of Greenland and Canada, the rest of the world does not understand the pure rage, frustration, and fear we’re dealing with every single day. If you’re somewhere like mainland Europe, you’re in a far safer place than we are right now. You don’t have to worry about if and when your friends and family will get randomly kidnapped by ICE. You don’t have to worry about when you too will get put in a concentration camp simply for having leftist political views. If the US actually goes through with invading Greenland, what do you think that is going to mean for those inside of the US? The country would immediately tear apart. All US bonds would immediately get dumped, and there would be a worldwide economic collapse. The only silver lining would be that the American war machine would also hopefully collapse. It may be large, but it’s expensive to run. The entire US would turn into something that looks like the Bosnian War. Due to the US facing an internal collapse, Canada would likely be able to resist occupation, and Greenland would be won back from any kind of conquest. While awful things would happen in mainland Europe, they would pale in comparison to whatever happened in the US. We’re dealing with fascists, and there would probably be hundreds of Tiananmen Square type events. This last few months has involved coming to terms that we probably will never have a chance to live a full life because we’ll be dead long before old age ever comes.
We’re not a country of soldiers. We’re just regular people. Despite whatever you might think, most people do not own guns or know how to use them. Do you expect people to leave their children homeless and without food over a 1 day strike? Do you understand that if a war happens, most of us will probably end up dead simply from being inside of the US? And even if there isn’t a war, we may 2 years or less until we get put in a concentration camp simply for being against Trump. I fucking worry every day that my friends could get disappeared at any moment. You see stuff in the news about Minneapolis, but ICE is in every city. Over 1000 miles away, they’ve been going door to door near some of my closest friends. To suggest we are content is batshit. We are not okay with anything. I’m not going to apologize for the threats of an orange megalomaniac that I continually try to resist.
If you’re outside of the US, you absolutely can do stuff. Stop buying things that feed the monster. Build defenses and deterrents against US aggression. And get the money out of your own politics too. Stay vigilant. You don’t want to go down this road, and it’s closer than you’d think. If the US goes to war, it won’t win. We might all be dead, but maybe the world will reset and fascism will fall.
I really don’t understand what’s stopping any of these revolutionary, non-Americans from coming over and taking matters into their own hands. The prevailing belief seems to be that everybody on the west coast, north east, and in the blue states should just be quitting their jobs, sacrificing their healthcare and their homes, driving 5 days to DC, and getting themselves into situations they’ll be KOS.
As a non-American, I’m not angry at all Americans. In fact, some have been very brave and selfless. I’m angry at Republican officials and voters, billionaires, millionaires, spineless Democrats, and non-voters. We’re in this position because of them. Unfortunately, that makes up a huge part of the American population. I applaud and admire the minority who are actually doing something, even if it’s only to offer a bottle of water to the protestors or donating goods, but it’s frustrating seeing that most are just letting it happen, whether it’s because they agree with it or don’t want to join the activists. I empathise with their need to go to work, take care of their families, and look out for their safety, but I’m sure that those out in the streets have these responsibilities as well.
I feel for Americans who are stuck there. What else do you want from me? We are watching what is happening and wondering why Americans continue to allow it. We get upset because we think it’s going to become our problem.
We don’t have a lot of sympathy or love list with you guys right now and we have our own to take care of, honestly.
At best you’re a security risk.
We were friends the whole time. We all went to Afghanistan and got our boys killed. Now you directly threaten my country and you don’t think I show enough sympathy and solidarity?
This was supposed to be a pro-sane-americans post but I think I kind of convinced myself Naw, fuck yas
Refrain from discouraging people just now showing up for action, and heaping loads of scorn and mockery on what appear to be tiny efforts for you. It’s big for that guy, who has never done anything like that before and never thought he’d have to. There are 340 million Americans spread across a massive continent, some of whom are just now waking up to the real threat our president is presenting not just to us but to the world. Many of them have been living in a propaganda bubble. Some, unbelievably, still are.
And if you’re European, do something about the threat in your own backyard, Putin. Our president is a Russian asset, and everything he is doing with his presidential power, literally everything, benefits Putin. Putin’s been firehosing us with propaganda for ten years, and now it’s paying off in spades: he got his own monkey voted into office. But he’s still your threat, more than ours. If you were to find a way to stop Putin’s propaganda machine today, both of them would be out of office by next week. I’m not even joking. It’s so bad in the US now that the instant the propaganda stopped it would be the end of this regime.
I’m pretty sure that we, the regular individual Americans you are sermonizing here, are the only ones who can stop the orange filth now. Washington can’t; they’re too corrupt. It’s up to us regular folk now. So what can you say and do that will help us win that fight? If you can’t or don’t want to, fine. But stop shitting on the people who are just waking up and don’t know where to start.
The really striking thing about the contingent of non-Americans in this thread who are blaming all Americans, even specifically those who oppose Trump, is that I can’t imagine a psyop doing a better job of fracturing the American left and isolating the US.
I think Lemmy is still small enough that the people who are vomiting on the anti-Trump Americans and insisting on collective blame are probably real people, who don’t know how to direct their anger (which is quite depressing). But to explain, I actually can’t think of what Russia would do differently to accomplish (1) transposing anger against Trump into anger against all Americans, which helps (2) sever international support to internal American anti-Trump protesters, and thereby (3) weaken internal American resistance to Trump by making those of us here who opposed Trump feel and be even more isolated.
Solidarity across borders seems like a better approach. Seems like you would feed the tree you want to grow, and starve the invasive weed you don’t, instead of just relieving oneself on both. But what do I know, I’m just a stupid American.
Yes much better said that I can produce in my current emotional state. This is a class war and they are abusing Americans by separating us from those that care about us (our allies).
From a non-American’s viewpoint, most Americans seem very content to only vent online about how they didn’t vote for this but they don’t seem to be holding their congress and senate representatives to task to get Trump out of office, now. There is a possibility of a general strike on Friday - it should be throughout the USA. In every city. Let your reps know that you are not just attending the odd protest but that citizen demand change immediately. They can impeach or Amendment 25 him out right now. No waiting for the slight possibility that there might still be an election in November. Trump isn’t obeying any other laws or the constitution so he can’t be expected to hold and then abide by an election many more months away. Americans do not seem, from the world’s view, to be treating Trump with the urgency that is needed.
I’ve contacted my “representatives” multiple times. Every time, the response is nothing or 🖕. I go to protests. I move my spending accordingly. I also have two parents getting very old who need care, a wife, and a pesky need to feed ourselves. Fleeing the country is not an option right now.
The guy literally has said you’ll never have to vote again and has recently been teasing the idea of skipping the upcoming election. If american streets are still empty of angry citezens after that election is canceled, we are truly cooked.
A widespread general strike will likely never happen because most people would be fired on the spot if they told their boss they were going on a strike. If you get fired, you don’t qualify for unemployment, and most people are only a single paycheck away from being homeless. I guess people from a lot of countries do not understand this concept because they had the privilege of actual workers rights.
We’ve been protesting. The frustration you have from thinking we’re doing nothing is the same frustration we have with the so called Representatives sitting with their thumbs up their asses. They don’t care what we think. They straight up make fun of us for trying. With the exception of Greenland and Canada, the rest of the world does not understand the pure rage, frustration, and fear we’re dealing with every single day. If you’re somewhere like mainland Europe, you’re in a far safer place than we are right now. You don’t have to worry about if and when your friends and family will get randomly kidnapped by ICE. You don’t have to worry about when you too will get put in a concentration camp simply for having leftist political views. If the US actually goes through with invading Greenland, what do you think that is going to mean for those inside of the US? The country would immediately tear apart. All US bonds would immediately get dumped, and there would be a worldwide economic collapse. The only silver lining would be that the American war machine would also hopefully collapse. It may be large, but it’s expensive to run. The entire US would turn into something that looks like the Bosnian War. Due to the US facing an internal collapse, Canada would likely be able to resist occupation, and Greenland would be won back from any kind of conquest. While awful things would happen in mainland Europe, they would pale in comparison to whatever happened in the US. We’re dealing with fascists, and there would probably be hundreds of Tiananmen Square type events. This last few months has involved coming to terms that we probably will never have a chance to live a full life because we’ll be dead long before old age ever comes.
We’re not a country of soldiers. We’re just regular people. Despite whatever you might think, most people do not own guns or know how to use them. Do you expect people to leave their children homeless and without food over a 1 day strike? Do you understand that if a war happens, most of us will probably end up dead simply from being inside of the US? And even if there isn’t a war, we may 2 years or less until we get put in a concentration camp simply for being against Trump. I fucking worry every day that my friends could get disappeared at any moment. You see stuff in the news about Minneapolis, but ICE is in every city. Over 1000 miles away, they’ve been going door to door near some of my closest friends. To suggest we are content is batshit. We are not okay with anything. I’m not going to apologize for the threats of an orange megalomaniac that I continually try to resist.
If you’re outside of the US, you absolutely can do stuff. Stop buying things that feed the monster. Build defenses and deterrents against US aggression. And get the money out of your own politics too. Stay vigilant. You don’t want to go down this road, and it’s closer than you’d think. If the US goes to war, it won’t win. We might all be dead, but maybe the world will reset and fascism will fall.
There’s literally hordes of people outside teslas and other locations in near every place i go and I’m in the south. You don’t know anything.
As a non-American, you’re basing your perspective on what exactly?
We’ve got dead Americans out there and these people “doesn’t look like anything to me”.
Yea… cops being detained by ICE, cops fighting ICE, citizens being shot, protests in every major city… “nothing happening at all.”
Sorry our sternly worded emails aren’t having immediate effect in a system that is completely immobilized right now. 🤷♂️
They don’t need to psyop if they just stress us out enough to lash out against each other instead.
I really don’t understand what’s stopping any of these revolutionary, non-Americans from coming over and taking matters into their own hands. The prevailing belief seems to be that everybody on the west coast, north east, and in the blue states should just be quitting their jobs, sacrificing their healthcare and their homes, driving 5 days to DC, and getting themselves into situations they’ll be KOS.
In fairness, CBP would stop them at the border. They wouldn’t even get an ESTA approved if they answered truthfully.
I blame my fellow Americans who didn’t vote.
As a non-American, I’m not angry at all Americans. In fact, some have been very brave and selfless. I’m angry at Republican officials and voters, billionaires, millionaires, spineless Democrats, and non-voters. We’re in this position because of them. Unfortunately, that makes up a huge part of the American population. I applaud and admire the minority who are actually doing something, even if it’s only to offer a bottle of water to the protestors or donating goods, but it’s frustrating seeing that most are just letting it happen, whether it’s because they agree with it or don’t want to join the activists. I empathise with their need to go to work, take care of their families, and look out for their safety, but I’m sure that those out in the streets have these responsibilities as well.
Were you not already aware that Trump is a Russian asset?
I feel for Americans who are stuck there. What else do you want from me? We are watching what is happening and wondering why Americans continue to allow it. We get upset because we think it’s going to become our problem.
We don’t have a lot of sympathy or love list with you guys right now and we have our own to take care of, honestly.
At best you’re a security risk.
We were friends the whole time. We all went to Afghanistan and got our boys killed. Now you directly threaten my country and you don’t think I show enough sympathy and solidarity?
This was supposed to be a pro-sane-americans post but I think I kind of convinced myself Naw, fuck yas
Refrain from discouraging people just now showing up for action, and heaping loads of scorn and mockery on what appear to be tiny efforts for you. It’s big for that guy, who has never done anything like that before and never thought he’d have to. There are 340 million Americans spread across a massive continent, some of whom are just now waking up to the real threat our president is presenting not just to us but to the world. Many of them have been living in a propaganda bubble. Some, unbelievably, still are.
And if you’re European, do something about the threat in your own backyard, Putin. Our president is a Russian asset, and everything he is doing with his presidential power, literally everything, benefits Putin. Putin’s been firehosing us with propaganda for ten years, and now it’s paying off in spades: he got his own monkey voted into office. But he’s still your threat, more than ours. If you were to find a way to stop Putin’s propaganda machine today, both of them would be out of office by next week. I’m not even joking. It’s so bad in the US now that the instant the propaganda stopped it would be the end of this regime.
I’m pretty sure that we, the regular individual Americans you are sermonizing here, are the only ones who can stop the orange filth now. Washington can’t; they’re too corrupt. It’s up to us regular folk now. So what can you say and do that will help us win that fight? If you can’t or don’t want to, fine. But stop shitting on the people who are just waking up and don’t know where to start.
So… You’re not in favor of sane Americans?