I feel like we’re all missing the point here. Sure, most people probably didn’t want THIS to happen, and want to distance themselves from the those who voted for him most recently. The reality is way more layered than that. It’s not just those that voted for him once, or even twice. All of our actions and inactions that led to the politicians and presidents prior to this being elected, allowed the policies and loopholes for this to happen. And so much more! This should have never been an option for us to choose. We all helped in some capacity whether we realize it or not. It’s now impacting the rest of the world more clearly than ever, and they’re mad. They should be. We need to do better.
How the fuck did I help? I gathered signatures for the 2020 primaries in Mississippi. I moved from Mississippi to Washington to get out of the cesspool. I got involved in my local elections. I canvassed for my local progressive politicians. I went to protests to be a part of one of the largest American protests of my generation. It’s not my fault that I wasn’t born in Africa to an emerald mine family to be able to buy large media corporations and spew bullshit and buy elections. It’s not my fault that people are corrupt up top.
This is giving major “yet you participate in society” vibes.
That’s amazing, we need more people like you to do all that work. It just seems like, rather than taking the opinions of people online so personally, we should take what’s going on personally. It sounds like you worked your butt off to inform people and encourage them to vote and do the right things, but we still ended up here. We fail as a whole, and we succeed as a whole. Right now we’re failing.
I gathered signatures for the 2020 primaries in Mississippi. I moved from Mississippi to Washington to get out of the cesspool. I got involved in my local elections. I canvassed for my local progressive politicians.
We’re not talking to you, you did what you could, go to the back of the line please and put the indignation in a secure box to use later.
But also understand that if you really did these things, you make up a razor-thin margin of people, the vast, vast majority of people don’t involve themselves at all in their community. Like, an absurd amount of people do not care what’s going on in their city or their local elections, and people like you are such a small minority that we can say broadly that “everyone” is responsible without you needing to feel you personally are being singled-out.
The person above said “we all helped in some way” so that’s why I was replying to them. I know I’m in the margin of people actually trying to involve myself in local politics and fighting my way up.
It’s just exhausting and disheartening when the world looks down on me when I say I’m American because I’m born where I was, but I’m trying to make this place better and fighting all I can. I’m ashamed to be American as much as I can be, but I’m not leaving because I can still fight.
Yeah, it’s been a slow decline over many years, and it’s been painful to watch, but it’s also very hard to turn a ship as big as the US.
I think it’s unfair to blame present-day Americans for the current state of affairs, when millions of Americans in 2003 protested the Iraq War and didn’t get any result, when the DHS was already cracking down on peaceful protests in 2012 and since then it’s been 4 years of an openly fascist government who’d never be swayed by protest, followed by 4 years of “healing” (but mostly pandemic). And I wouldn’t say the Americans have been complacent in the last year, it’s the most chaotic shit I’ve ever seen, with already 2 politicalassassinations and a string of massiveprotests.
It’s easy to think people did more in the past, but we only get the highlights in the history books. An assassination defines a decade. It takes years of organizing to get a victory.
So don’t blame the current generation, America’s been pretty fascist for 25+ years and very resistant to change. I just hope this is their opportunity to change it for the better.
Absolutely, all fantastic points! And thank you for linking. Is going to take a lot of time and work to turn this around.
I agree, it would be unfair and inaccurate to blame the current generation, when we have octogenarians still in office that won’t leave. It took generations of humans to get us to here, and that really is the point. We all thought that the system was supposed to work and people were going to follow the rules, but that didn’t happen. Most of us thought that there would be redundancies in place to stop this extreme situation from happening, but there wasn’t. And if there was, they didn’t work.
To your point, there have always been fascists in office. It’s not new. The groundwork was already laid when this admin got in there. That’s why it was so easy for all of this to happen.
I also get swamped with downvotes when I tell people the objective fact that far, far more of us are responsible for the state of things than anyone wants to admit.
The chief sin we all carry is lack of involvement with our local and state governing, or even just basic community-building. We ignored warning signs, we set the problems aside in our every-day life. We didn’t organize ahead of time when we saw redpill kids rising in numbers across online spaces and Donald Trump memes growing in popularity. We didn’t push in a real-world way to mitigate the harm being done by outside influences, misinformation and online grifting of our feelings.
Imagine if more of us volunteered to serve on school boards and had a voice in those spaces and said “Hey, I’m seeing a LOT of young guys right now online saying they just hate women and dating and hate themselves, like, it’s growing, we really need to get ahead of this and start talking to the students here, maybe some after-school reach out and structured life-coaching before these young guys start going to washed-out British kickboxers for help.”
Would it have changed the world? Probably not, but it all adds up, every thing we can do helps towards making a better future, it doesn’t have to be a singular action that shakes up the status-quo.
Agreed, no singular action got us here, and no singular action will fix it. I’d like to believe, independently we all mean well and thought we were doing enough. As a whole, we did not. No one person is going to fix this, we need to work together to make this better, regardless of who we feel us at fault. Saying sorry or yelling “not it!” helped get us here. Let’s all be part of the solution, being complacent is exacerbating the problem.
I feel like we’re all missing the point here. Sure, most people probably didn’t want THIS to happen, and want to distance themselves from the those who voted for him most recently. The reality is way more layered than that. It’s not just those that voted for him once, or even twice. All of our actions and inactions that led to the politicians and presidents prior to this being elected, allowed the policies and loopholes for this to happen. And so much more! This should have never been an option for us to choose. We all helped in some capacity whether we realize it or not. It’s now impacting the rest of the world more clearly than ever, and they’re mad. They should be. We need to do better.
How the fuck did I help? I gathered signatures for the 2020 primaries in Mississippi. I moved from Mississippi to Washington to get out of the cesspool. I got involved in my local elections. I canvassed for my local progressive politicians. I went to protests to be a part of one of the largest American protests of my generation. It’s not my fault that I wasn’t born in Africa to an emerald mine family to be able to buy large media corporations and spew bullshit and buy elections. It’s not my fault that people are corrupt up top.
This is giving major “yet you participate in society” vibes.
That’s amazing, we need more people like you to do all that work. It just seems like, rather than taking the opinions of people online so personally, we should take what’s going on personally. It sounds like you worked your butt off to inform people and encourage them to vote and do the right things, but we still ended up here. We fail as a whole, and we succeed as a whole. Right now we’re failing.
We’re not talking to you, you did what you could, go to the back of the line please and put the indignation in a secure box to use later.
But also understand that if you really did these things, you make up a razor-thin margin of people, the vast, vast majority of people don’t involve themselves at all in their community. Like, an absurd amount of people do not care what’s going on in their city or their local elections, and people like you are such a small minority that we can say broadly that “everyone” is responsible without you needing to feel you personally are being singled-out.
The person above said “we all helped in some way” so that’s why I was replying to them. I know I’m in the margin of people actually trying to involve myself in local politics and fighting my way up.
It’s just exhausting and disheartening when the world looks down on me when I say I’m American because I’m born where I was, but I’m trying to make this place better and fighting all I can. I’m ashamed to be American as much as I can be, but I’m not leaving because I can still fight.
Yeah, it’s been a slow decline over many years, and it’s been painful to watch, but it’s also very hard to turn a ship as big as the US.
I think it’s unfair to blame present-day Americans for the current state of affairs, when millions of Americans in 2003 protested the Iraq War and didn’t get any result, when the DHS was already cracking down on peaceful protests in 2012 and since then it’s been 4 years of an openly fascist government who’d never be swayed by protest, followed by 4 years of “healing” (but mostly pandemic). And I wouldn’t say the Americans have been complacent in the last year, it’s the most chaotic shit I’ve ever seen, with already 2 political assassinations and a string of massive protests.
It’s easy to think people did more in the past, but we only get the highlights in the history books. An assassination defines a decade. It takes years of organizing to get a victory.
So don’t blame the current generation, America’s been pretty fascist for 25+ years and very resistant to change. I just hope this is their opportunity to change it for the better.
Decades? USA has been manifesting destiny since before it was established and never has truly reformed from those times and never wanted to.
The majority of americans have believed themselves ubermensch before the concept and before the nation, and continue to do so.
Absolutely, all fantastic points! And thank you for linking. Is going to take a lot of time and work to turn this around.
I agree, it would be unfair and inaccurate to blame the current generation, when we have octogenarians still in office that won’t leave. It took generations of humans to get us to here, and that really is the point. We all thought that the system was supposed to work and people were going to follow the rules, but that didn’t happen. Most of us thought that there would be redundancies in place to stop this extreme situation from happening, but there wasn’t. And if there was, they didn’t work.
To your point, there have always been fascists in office. It’s not new. The groundwork was already laid when this admin got in there. That’s why it was so easy for all of this to happen.
I also get swamped with downvotes when I tell people the objective fact that far, far more of us are responsible for the state of things than anyone wants to admit.
The chief sin we all carry is lack of involvement with our local and state governing, or even just basic community-building. We ignored warning signs, we set the problems aside in our every-day life. We didn’t organize ahead of time when we saw redpill kids rising in numbers across online spaces and Donald Trump memes growing in popularity. We didn’t push in a real-world way to mitigate the harm being done by outside influences, misinformation and online grifting of our feelings.
Imagine if more of us volunteered to serve on school boards and had a voice in those spaces and said “Hey, I’m seeing a LOT of young guys right now online saying they just hate women and dating and hate themselves, like, it’s growing, we really need to get ahead of this and start talking to the students here, maybe some after-school reach out and structured life-coaching before these young guys start going to washed-out British kickboxers for help.”
Would it have changed the world? Probably not, but it all adds up, every thing we can do helps towards making a better future, it doesn’t have to be a singular action that shakes up the status-quo.
Agreed, no singular action got us here, and no singular action will fix it. I’d like to believe, independently we all mean well and thought we were doing enough. As a whole, we did not. No one person is going to fix this, we need to work together to make this better, regardless of who we feel us at fault. Saying sorry or yelling “not it!” helped get us here. Let’s all be part of the solution, being complacent is exacerbating the problem.