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    I truly do care and feel for all Americans right now. What any one individual can do IS limited and we need to acknowledge that. Of course, throughout the course of history there has been “heros” but most of us aren’t and demanding that all Americans that does see the madness should “do something about it” is really not helping. I mean, i hope that some of you (us based people) will, but being in you position… I dont know, i hope I’d had the courage, but man… I dont know. Also, what tf do i do? My great “contribution” is trying to boycot American products… Bigwoop me.

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    I’m a trans American sitting here everyday wondering when they will send me to a fucking camp or prison for existing. The problem is that it’s only people like me who ever go out and do anything because Americans are selfish as fuck. Anything that doesn’t directly affect them is a non-issue. I’m not sorry to the world because I’ve been protesting, speaking out, and generally being defiant for years. Anyone who says they are sorry are the same idiots who send thoughts and prayers.

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      I’m a rich straight white American man and I’m out here protesting too. You’re not alone, that’s how they want you to feel so you give up.

      But yeah, most Americans are out here being damned slugs unwilling to slightly inconvenience themselves for the future of the country.

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      They’re not done with brown people just yet, and they just started floating the idea of registering all the autists so they are probably gonna do that minority first. Please wait your turn.

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    The people who flooded the subreddit with sorry are fucking dumb.

    And when you blame all Americans, this is what you sound like:

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      Currently adult Americans had like ten different elections that allowed them to not end up in this mess. They failed like 8 of those, so here we are.
      The amount of blame is directly proportional to the amount of agency people had. US was, until very recently, a democracy. A bit shitty one, but still, so everyone who was of a voting age share some of that responsibility.

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        Hitler was elected multiple times as well. His party didn’t have any more support than trump does. If we had more than a two party system, we would have elected Trump by the same margins as Hitler.

        The problem is that kind and peaceful people are so reluctant to respond to violence with violence. If the first Nazis, upon starting their drivel, were promptly punched in the mouth, and that happened repeatedly, I feel they would have gotten a lot less done.

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      The funny part to me is the people who actually support Trump are laughing their asses off that the euros are mad. They love it more than they love owning the libs. Hate is what they based their entire personality around, you cannot out-hate a fascist.

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      Americans comparing themselves to holocaust victims, a classic! You’re a fucking awful person.

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        You’re a shit person. People are getting sent to death camps. Kids are being kidnapped and tortured. Brown people and queer people are the targets just like during the Holocaust. Eat shit.

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              Wow! Me too! So what? Why are you on the internet pulling a #NotAllAmericans? Does your shitty country (and the shitty people in it) that by your own admission has betrayed you need or want to be defended by you?

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                Damn I wonder who we got it from? Oh yeah Europe. The continent so ashamed that they bombed themselves to hell and back in WW2 after raping every other continent that they pretend it’s just us that’s the problem.

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                  Hahahahaha what the fuck lmao please don’t delete your comments!

                  Edit: Oh my god bro thinks I’m from Europe, convenient out-group I guess.

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      See they are actually 2 very different situations, because only 30% of German voters voted for the Nazis, whereas 50% of America voters voluntarily got off their arses to cast a vote for Trump (i.e. vote for a sexual abuser, and a platform of division and hatred) …

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        Approx. 17.3 million people voted for the nazis in 1933, total population was 67.7 million, for 25.5% of the population.

        Approx. 77.3 million people voted for trump in 2024, total population was 340.1 million, for 22.7% of the population.

        No, the fascist gained power here with even less of a mandate than the nazis.

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          263 million Americans decided they didn’t care enough to vote against a convicted sexual abuser running their country…

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              I stated “voters”, not “Americans”. I specifically used those words, because I didn’t care to calculate the non-voters in to the equation at the time.

              I’m not here to argue semantics…

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            Yes, we have a disenfranchisement problem in the US. Between voter rolls being purged, people losing their right to vote due to felonies, gerrymandering out the ass, voter ID and other such nonsense trying to stop legal votes, and purposeful locking down/ limiting of voting places, it’s honestly impressive so many were still able to vote. Doesn’t change that what you said was wrong.

            And it’s 188 million, unless you think a vote for Harris wasn’t voting against Trump.

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              I miscalculated, whoopsie

              I stated “voters”, not “Americans”. I specifically used those words, because I didn’t care to calculate the non-voters in to the equation at the time.

              I’m not here to argue semantics…

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              It’s less than that, even. People under 18 are included in the total population numbers, but aren’t eligible to vote yet, so you need to knock around a third (maybe more?) of your total off just for that.

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                Used the same process for both, so that’s already accounted for. Both are total population vs those that voted for the regime.

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            Yes that’s a problem but you directly asserted that a larger percentage of Americans voted for it than Germans did in the past which is flatly wrong. Interesting that you didn’t even acknowledge that whatsoever

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              I stated “voters”, not “Americans”. I specifically used those words, because I didn’t care to calculate the non-voters in to the equation at the time.

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            A majority never have and never will vote, it’s stupid but true. They just tune it out because it doesn’t “effect them” because they don’t realize how much it can and does.

            Or they’re white and well off enough to not care

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              I did voter registration drives in my area for a few pre-election years, and it’s really staggering the number of minority people who “don’t do politics”. As though that somehow helps them or is something to wear as a badge of honor. Not that they tune it out, but they actively avoid it at all costs.

              I convinced a few of them to change their tune and got them set up with absentee ballots to reduce the friction in voting, but man a lot of people genuinely want to avoid any mention of the government. I don’t really get it, but I don’t live their lives either. I haven’t seen how poorly the system treats them, and I don’t know what anxieties they might have about participating in the system.

              I think, overall, people are rational actors using whatever information they have available to them (even if that information is dis/mis-information). So there’s some set of reasons these people feel so thoroughly disenfranchised that they don’t even bother trying to participate. It’s probably not a very good reason, in reality, but it’s good enough for them to act on. idk how to fix that, but we probably should figure it out.

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                That’s a fair point, I sadly don’t have the energy to do much action myself and am happy to hear others like you do try!

                To your point on minority positions, I know there’s some fear there of retribution sometimes, or that the state makes it more difficult then necessary so that puts them off. Also just finding the time in our lives to do so, I pay a lot of attention to politics and it makes me angry a lot of the time, so I can understand why people want to tune it out for those kinds of reasons, however it is so important that you just have to do it at the end of the day or the consequences are… gestures around

                I’m sure there some good historical ideas, thinking particularly the civil rights movements and their tactics to get out the vote, I know it’s a different time now but I’m sure a lot of it would still ring true/helpful.

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        No, it was also about 30% for Trump. Most people just don’t vote at all and the electoral college was designed to bypass popular votes.

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          Most people just don’t vote at all

          Not voting is a choice. It means “I don’t mind if Trump will be our glorious leader”. Most americans voted for Trump actively or passively. The only people who’re off the hook are children, deeply ill, and prisoners.
          There is some number of people who voted but who’s vote for some reason wasn’t counted, but that’s margins compared to tens of millions who just didn’t

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          Yes that’s why I was very careful to say “voters” and not "Americans.

          If you’re considering all members of the population, then the % of Germans who voted for the Nazis was closer to 20%.

          America is an absolute embarrassment.

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      And when you blame all Americans, this is what you sound like

      So you agree with the position that Russians shouldn’t be punished for the war with Ukraine?

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        Why would the average Russian, who I heard doesn’t even want to do this stupid Ukraine war, be punished?

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            Even living in a hotbed of Trump supporters, I don’t find that at all. They’re mostly heroically uniformed

            Because propaganda works, and Clinton cut the protections of the press from capital acquisition

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                Reddit is a cesspool and doesn’t usually represent the majority. Reddit is for people who like smelling their own farts.

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                  Ah yes, Lemmy user commenting on a Lemmy.world thread that Lemmy is of course totally different, despite having all the exact same endless US politics content and USian whining as Reddit.

      • I’m sure not all Germans in WW2 were bad, but we still collectively punished them, because they were there and let it happen. 70% of Americans knowingly didn’t vote against this and that’s a high enough percentage to hold them collectively responsible, without even delving into all the complacency and complicity that lead to the point where it was even possible.

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          This happened because a bunch of Democrats and wannabe leftists decided to not vote due to Gaza. The problem is that people here, regardless of political party, are stupid and stuck in black and white thinking.

          Brown people in Gaza being bombed? Time to sacrifice all the vulnerable minorities in the USA by not voting. Now we can all die together.

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    God, this is how so much of the internet feels right now. We’re all staring down the barrel of a gun, but God forbid we say anything out of turn or it’s #NotAllAmericans until your screen explodes.

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      The post from yesterday about the Greenland subreddit was very telling. Greenland and by extension Europe is threatened by America, Americans that don’t share the blame, sure, go to a subreddit and flood it with “sorry” posts. That pisses people actually from the subreddit because it’s counter productive, so they complain.

      Suddenly Americans on Lemmy are pissed at them because how dare they get pissed at us “showing empathy”! Nah, empathy would. Be to shut the fuck up, empathy would be to recognise that flooding a subreddit with “I’m sorry” posts is annoying at best. The gall of those people to say “how date Greenland era not want us having empathy” when their actions don’t actually show it… Sickening.

      Then there’s all of them that seem hurt by us outsiders lumping them all together. I get that, I get that y’all didn’t really have a choice, really. Y’all need to get that when tensions are this high, people are not gonna use the most correct wording and as the ones in risk of being invaded, they reserve the right for being impolite to all the other Americans by generalising.

      The entitlement that Americans in general have that we outsiders need to consider their personal situation before generalising them when the situation is this fucking critical… No. Grow some skin and get used to be generalised if your government is the one invading, even if you didn’t have a choice. Sorry to say but bad luck, you are gonna catch some strays.

      I say this as a man that has to read generalised hate towards men by women and the LGBT community because they don’t have the energy to use the most proper wording. It’s fine. Energies are high, people are venting. We are not talking about you personally.

      Complaining that you catching stray shots from potential invadees makes y’all looks so much worse.

      Btw, sorry if I used a lot of “you” when referring to Americans in this reply, while not referring to you, Voroxpete. I hope my wording was clear.

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        I said it on another post, the people of Rotterdam looking at the nazis marching on their city were not responsible for the feelings of the innocent Germans who didn’t support hitlers rise to power. These Americans who think they are so special they deserve to be grouped separately by the victims of their country are just like the people who post “thoughts and prayers” when something horrible happens.

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          I agree with the sentiment, but you left out a few crucial words.

          the people of Rotterdam looking at the nazis marching on the rubble of what was left of their city were not responsible for the feelings of the innocent Germans who didn’t support hitlers rise to power.

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            I whole heartedly agree. My mind was going to before the destruction of the city started when the Nazis were still approaching leaving behind a trail of destruction as thats where we are with Greenland now. The war definitely showed the city is truely it’s people not the buildings as those were largely ruined. I’m sure even if the Americans end up occupying Greenland it will never be America in the eyes of its people.

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          Stop asking us to go die as penance and people won’t be so upset :)

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            No one actually did in the original post. It was all about “stop flooding this small community with sorry posts”.

            Suddenly those us-americans who don’t read so good understood it as “you’re at fault, please offer yourself up in a violent revolution”.

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        Americans and I say this as an American. Are first and foremost retarded beyond all releasing when it comes to understanding that empty empathy and apologies are worse then saying nothing at all.

        As much as it’s the stereotype to say Canadians say sorry all the time, in reality it’s Americans.

        Americans will apologize for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. Because we are taught that sorry fixes everything. Words are cheap and actions are hard.

        And if you tell them sorry won’t cut it, then it’s straight to being pissed and blaming everyone else. Not fixing it, not admitting empty platitudes are insulting. No no, it’s your fault for not expecting the sorry with no action to back it up.

        It’s the most annoying fucking thing.

        Americans need to learn to shut up, sit down, and realize if our leadership fucks up. We all fuck up. That’s the entire point of democracy. We are in this together for better or worse. If we don’t like it then we need to shut the fuck up and go actually do something about it. Words are cheap.

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          Yeah idk, do they not realise that what they are doing is a classic “thoughts and prayers”? With more words for sure, more polite yes but… In terms of actions, that’s it.

          It was appalling to read the live reaction of so many people, the most upvoted ones ofc because American presence in Lemmy is a supermajority. Anyway, good luck.

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        Perfectly clear, and yeah, that’s my thoughts exactly.

        It feels like a lot of them really want to be told how good and wonderful and kind and smart they are for not voting for this bullshit. But it’s not our job to make them feel better about themselves while their government threatens to hurl the world’s largest military at us.

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        Europe is threatened by The United States, not the nation (group of culturally similar people) of America.

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          Proving my point I see. Getting pissed because I over generalize because I don’t have the fucking energy to mind my wording is exactly what I was complaining. Bruh.

          In any case, I made the distinction of America (country) and Americans (citizens) in my post. If you prefer saying United States (country) and America (group of people), it’s your problem. I did make the distinction in the wording. I don’t owe you the proper wording you prefer, specially when the wording I picked is perfectly understood writ large.

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    I didn’t vote for this shit, in fact I voted and warned against it for 3 elections in a row.

    Sadly 1/3 of Americans actively support this shit, while.another 1/3 were more than happy to sit back and let it happen.

    Americans at large deserve this. I have to constantly remind myself that this is what people in this country voted for, and it’s only right for us to suffer the consequences of our elections, otherwise people here will never learn. I do feel sorry for the people who get caught up in this stupidity, but there are too many Americans who are shielded from the consequences of their words and actions.

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      I have to constantly remind myself that this is what people in this country voted for

      *What they accepted. There are a lot of ways to help fascists that don’t involve voting for them and aren’t mutually exclusive with voting against them. Fascism takes a lot more work on both sides of the aisle than just winning an election, and I for one am not letting the DNC apologists off the hook.

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        Cool. And so you want me to do what exactly?

        I begged people to vote against this guy. I begged people to support Kamala. I begged Biden to step down when it became clear he was not up for it. I begged people to not let the Israeli/Palestinian/Iranian/Russian orchestrated war in Gaza be a reason why we turned our country over to authoritarian fascists and Project 2025. I begged people to recognize what was at stake at home and abroad. I’m not shocked or surprised by what I’m seeing today. Not only is this what they said they were gonna do, this is just an extension of what they tried to do last time.

        I’m from Portland, Oregon. A blue county, in a blue city, in a blue state. Trump sent masked gestapo goons to attack us back in 2020, during a global pandemic, while people rioted and forest fires filled the sky with smoke. We’ve seen this movie before. My state is not even considered one of the states that are in play in American elections. And yet, I protested (I’ll continue to protest), I gave what little money I could to politicians who wasted it, and I voted.

        So what’s left for me to do?

        Go buy a gun and throw my life away by declaring a 1-man war against the fascist US government in a futile attempt to solve a problem that other people created?

        Nope. Nah dude, no thanks. As tempting as that is when I see the news, I’m not gonna do that.

        For now I’ve done all that I can reasonably do to try to fix a situation that the idiots and assholes of this country created. I’ll continue to speak out. I’ll continue to vote. But I’m not gonna throw my one life away over this shit.

        Whether I like it or not, America voted for this–tariffs, ICE, techno oligarchy, imperialism, censorship, the absolute pettiness… ALL of it. This is what America wanted, and this is what America gets. Like Socrates, I’ll defer to the “democratic” process.

        I’ve done way more than the average American, and frankly, way more than the people in other parts of the world who continue to use American social media, consume American media, buy American products from American stores. I don’t want to hear that I haven’t done enough when people in other countries can’t even stop using X.com, drinking Starbucks, using Windows, subscribing to Netflix, buying iPhones, or watching crappy Disney Marvel/Star Wars schlock.

        Call me when everyone else has done the bare fucking minimum.

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          When the Allies invade to liberate America from this Great Evil it will be our duty then to assist them and help put the maga in gibbets where they belong.

          Until then, I agree with you. I will not throw my life away in service of a futile cause. We are massively outnumbered and need help.

          Two-thirds of Americans are irredeemable trash, and only a small fraction of the remainder truly recognize what is happening. I have been loudly warning people about this since Republicans stole the 2000 election, and yet their numbers only grow. Deprogramming such a large number is not feasible.

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          I wholeheartedly disagree with Soulg. I respect your action and think your first message was very nuanced and not really “what the post was criticising”.

          I think the critique goes more against Us-americans who have the standard view that they’re something special. Even though we’re in a lefty corner of the internet, it’s something too common.

          And if those were straggler opinions, it wouldn’t even that bad. But sometimes you have 20 American exceptionalists against 10 diverse comments from all over the world (including sensible USA).

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          Well, first of all, I’d like you to remember Trump is not the only democratically elected American president who invaded other countries. In fact, I can’t think of a President in my lifetime who didn’t. Trump isn’t uniquely warmongering, he’s just uniquely blatant about it.

          Reading this meme as about Trump specifically, instead of about America’s foreign policy since, oh, the 19th century or so, does not reflect to your credit.

          Second, I’d like you to remember that the “Americans” who “voted for this” are not suffering the consequences. Other people are.

          Who is Trump hurting? The people in refugee camps and in the world’s poorest countries, where more than half a million people have died of disease and starvation because of Trump’s USAID cuts.

          But beyond that, US and EU sanctions - which is to say, economic warfare - have killed 38 million people through starvation and disease since 1970.. In many countries, USAID was necessary because the United States meddled in politics to cause wars, dictatorships, and refugee crises, or because US-based companies made corrupt deals with local governments to extract their resources at the expense of the people.

          Trump is not unique in his willingness to starve people for American interests, either. He’s just uniquely blatant in his contempt for soft power and black people.

          And then there are the immigrant families hiding in their homes, afraid to go to work or send their kids to school, because ICE is patrolling their neighborhoods looking for non-white bodies to fill their quotas. And while you can blame Trump for new and more blatant ICE enforcement, ICE isn’t using any authority it didn’t already have, and it’s enforcing an immigration system that has been blatantly unfair and profoundly broken under both parties for decades.

          I mean, Harris promised more aggressive immigration enforcement, too. And the Democrats are, right now, supporting a new budget that gives ICE $10 billion and CBP $20 billion more, instead of trying to rein them in. Yet again, Trump isn’t different from the rest of American politics. He’s just more blatant and uglier.

          And let’s not forget the people of Gaza (yeah, don’t think I didn’t see you dismissing Gaza as a distraction) and the people of Venezuela and the people of Greenland and the people of Syria and the people of Yemen and the people of Libya and God I could go on and on and fucking on.

          White American citizens? Trump’s going to give them $2,000 in October as a “tariff rebate” to encourage them to vote Republican. So yeah, y’all are doing fine.

          In other words, saying Americans got what they deserve is tone deaf, foolish, and ignores the fact that the people suffering from the Trump administration’s policies are overwhelmingly not Americans, and the further fact that those people had also been suffering under Biden policies, and under Obama policies, and most especially under Bush policies, and so on and so forth.

          So what do I want you to do? When people vent about America and Americans, don’t jump in and seek reassurance that you’re one of the good ones. Don’t ask people to pat you on the head and praise you because you supported a warmonger in blue over a warmonger in red.

          And especially don’t dismiss the suffering and fear and anger of America’s victims by saying Americans are getting what they deserve.

          Because Americans might deserve it, but the rest of the world doesn’t.

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          Yes actually they absolutely want you to grab a gun and go off and die needlessly, they make that very clear everytime they post and demand our blood for the sins of the maga

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      Man I was hoping someone in the comments would translate that insanity, but damn 😂

      Thought that was a clip from a kids show at first. Nope!

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        It’s a clip from a kids movie. :)

        It’s called “Terkel in Trouble

        I see that Wikipedia labels it an “adult movie”, but it certainly wasn’t treated or thought of that way in Denmark.

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      The harder part isn’t that I didn’t vote for it, but the sheer numbers that support it. It represents more of this country than I ever would have imagined. And I’ve gotten to listen to people in person use completely psychotic taking points that are fed to them. It’s so disheartening how stupid so many people are

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    I feel like we’re all missing the point here. Sure, most people probably didn’t want THIS to happen, and want to distance themselves from the those who voted for him most recently. The reality is way more layered than that. It’s not just those that voted for him once, or even twice. All of our actions and inactions that led to the politicians and presidents prior to this being elected, allowed the policies and loopholes for this to happen. And so much more! This should have never been an option for us to choose. We all helped in some capacity whether we realize it or not. It’s now impacting the rest of the world more clearly than ever, and they’re mad. They should be. We need to do better.

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      How the fuck did I help? I gathered signatures for the 2020 primaries in Mississippi. I moved from Mississippi to Washington to get out of the cesspool. I got involved in my local elections. I canvassed for my local progressive politicians. I went to protests to be a part of one of the largest American protests of my generation. It’s not my fault that I wasn’t born in Africa to an emerald mine family to be able to buy large media corporations and spew bullshit and buy elections. It’s not my fault that people are corrupt up top.

      This is giving major “yet you participate in society” vibes.

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        That’s amazing, we need more people like you to do all that work. It just seems like, rather than taking the opinions of people online so personally, we should take what’s going on personally. It sounds like you worked your butt off to inform people and encourage them to vote and do the right things, but we still ended up here. We fail as a whole, and we succeed as a whole. Right now we’re failing.

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        I gathered signatures for the 2020 primaries in Mississippi. I moved from Mississippi to Washington to get out of the cesspool. I got involved in my local elections. I canvassed for my local progressive politicians.

        We’re not talking to you, you did what you could, go to the back of the line please and put the indignation in a secure box to use later.

        But also understand that if you really did these things, you make up a razor-thin margin of people, the vast, vast majority of people don’t involve themselves at all in their community. Like, an absurd amount of people do not care what’s going on in their city or their local elections, and people like you are such a small minority that we can say broadly that “everyone” is responsible without you needing to feel you personally are being singled-out.

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          The person above said “we all helped in some way” so that’s why I was replying to them. I know I’m in the margin of people actually trying to involve myself in local politics and fighting my way up.

          It’s just exhausting and disheartening when the world looks down on me when I say I’m American because I’m born where I was, but I’m trying to make this place better and fighting all I can. I’m ashamed to be American as much as I can be, but I’m not leaving because I can still fight.

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      Yeah, it’s been a slow decline over many years, and it’s been painful to watch, but it’s also very hard to turn a ship as big as the US.

      I think it’s unfair to blame present-day Americans for the current state of affairs, when millions of Americans in 2003 protested the Iraq War and didn’t get any result, when the DHS was already cracking down on peaceful protests in 2012 and since then it’s been 4 years of an openly fascist government who’d never be swayed by protest, followed by 4 years of “healing” (but mostly pandemic). And I wouldn’t say the Americans have been complacent in the last year, it’s the most chaotic shit I’ve ever seen, with already 2 political assassinations and a string of massive protests.

      It’s easy to think people did more in the past, but we only get the highlights in the history books. An assassination defines a decade. It takes years of organizing to get a victory.

      So don’t blame the current generation, America’s been pretty fascist for 25+ years and very resistant to change. I just hope this is their opportunity to change it for the better.

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        Decades? USA has been manifesting destiny since before it was established and never has truly reformed from those times and never wanted to.

        The majority of americans have believed themselves ubermensch before the concept and before the nation, and continue to do so.

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        Absolutely, all fantastic points! And thank you for linking. Is going to take a lot of time and work to turn this around.

        I agree, it would be unfair and inaccurate to blame the current generation, when we have octogenarians still in office that won’t leave. It took generations of humans to get us to here, and that really is the point. We all thought that the system was supposed to work and people were going to follow the rules, but that didn’t happen. Most of us thought that there would be redundancies in place to stop this extreme situation from happening, but there wasn’t. And if there was, they didn’t work.

        To your point, there have always been fascists in office. It’s not new. The groundwork was already laid when this admin got in there. That’s why it was so easy for all of this to happen.

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      I also get swamped with downvotes when I tell people the objective fact that far, far more of us are responsible for the state of things than anyone wants to admit.

      The chief sin we all carry is lack of involvement with our local and state governing, or even just basic community-building. We ignored warning signs, we set the problems aside in our every-day life. We didn’t organize ahead of time when we saw redpill kids rising in numbers across online spaces and Donald Trump memes growing in popularity. We didn’t push in a real-world way to mitigate the harm being done by outside influences, misinformation and online grifting of our feelings.

      Imagine if more of us volunteered to serve on school boards and had a voice in those spaces and said “Hey, I’m seeing a LOT of young guys right now online saying they just hate women and dating and hate themselves, like, it’s growing, we really need to get ahead of this and start talking to the students here, maybe some after-school reach out and structured life-coaching before these young guys start going to washed-out British kickboxers for help.”

      Would it have changed the world? Probably not, but it all adds up, every thing we can do helps towards making a better future, it doesn’t have to be a singular action that shakes up the status-quo.

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        Agreed, no singular action got us here, and no singular action will fix it. I’d like to believe, independently we all mean well and thought we were doing enough. As a whole, we did not. No one person is going to fix this, we need to work together to make this better, regardless of who we feel us at fault. Saying sorry or yelling “not it!” helped get us here. Let’s all be part of the solution, being complacent is exacerbating the problem.