You’ve mistaken my disinterest for ignorance.
So let me ask you this: if there was a society that every person’s needs are met, they didn’t have to work if they didn’t want to, and everyone there was pretty happy and educated and fulfilled, would you want to live there? No sneaky sci-fi bullshit where it’s the matrix or aliens or whatever, it’s genuinely a society like that on a global scale.
Yes or no please.
Heh, figured you wouldn’t get it. Funny you rant about reading comprehension but can’t really comprehend what’s being put in front of you. Love the assumptions, too. For someone who doesn’t like laziness you really do not make the effort to think much, and for someone who claims to care about people you really are dismissive and unemphatic. It’s kinda sad to see someone who’s head is up their ass thinking they have clear vision.
That’s fine though, you work towards that society you want and eventually you’ll catch up to me and we can work towards mine. You’re only a stepping stone after all.
The Right doesn’t care about facts. They believe something, which in their heads is immutable, something like “women are weaker than men”, and any facts or statistics that exist either validate this truth, or, to them, are false. Any lie that’s said is fine, because it’s in service to this immutable “truth”, because they are right and facts don’t matter in comparison to the “truth” so it’s pretty irrelevant as long as you’re fighting for the “truth”.
This is why arguing with these people with facts and statistics doesn’t work, because they can lie and dismiss whatever they want and you have to research. It can help the people on the sidelines sometimes, but that’s about it.
Ah, I see where the problem lies.
You were so wrapped up in the current situation that your very limited imagination couldn’t comprehend changing it, and you’re myopically focused on the world as it is instead of what it could be. I can understand someone who isn’t very creative having a hard time thinking outside of what’s put in front of them, so I’m sorry I was trying to introduce a hypothetical that was so over your head that you clearly got frustrated with the situation.
You were clearly thinking from a “how could we work this ass things are” situation because of your mental limitations, and I was casually thinking of hypotheticals and being goal first oriented, thinking of the optional situation and willing to work backwards.
So yes, of course my cavalier suggestion wouldn’t work in the economic system we have now, and since you’re not really able to look outside of that, you, like a frustrated child, see it as an impossibility and lashed out.
I think it would certainly be a noble goal and something to work towards, humanity having it’s basic needs met with a small stipend on top of that, and what a pity there’s people who would fight tooth and nail against such an idealized situation.
I suppose you’re very much wrapped up in the puritanical thought of life without work is sinful and should be avoided, especially with your repeated accusations of laziness directed at me, so such a future would be a nightmare for you. I only assume you never plan on retirement and view retired people with contempt for their lack of toil. It’s why I assume you wish to stab homeless people, for their sloth. You say you’re for nationalized education, housing, good and healthcare but honestly I don’t think your heart is in it if one of your big arguments against ubi is the same one being used against all those things, the horrible idea that some people might not work when they could.
Ah well, have fun working towards humanity having to do perpetual labor forever, I’m sure that’s a great idea. Wouldn’t want too many idle hands and all.
Considering how the government spends money on so much other shit, it would cost a pittance in comparison, and generate more flow in the economy.
I’m not last, I’m just gonna take advice from someone who probably stabs homeless people.
Like I said before, amazing how people will argue against their better interests. Really bold of you to assume I’m just lazy, too.
It’s really funny that you got this bent out of shape when someone just asks “why not both”
Ah well can’t help everyone, especially when they won’t bother trying, right?
That’s pretty fucking stupid since people worked on stuff outside of subsistence farming well before money existed. You’re so wrapped up in how things are and how you think things should work you’re not seeing anything potential. In your bleak worldview humanity must enslave itself. Maybe if you had a perspective that was more focused on the happiness and well-being of humans you could use that oh-so-massive big brain of yours to figure out a way for people to have their needs met and have a functioning society, but your motivations are clearly set in a different direction.
Whatever man if you care more about macroeconomics than actually helping people that’s a pretty sociopathic take. We could easily pay for a ubi with tax reform and it is one of those things that generates more money than we put into it, but what do I know, I’m someone you assume is an idiot.
That’s missing the point of my metaphor.
I mean they probably wanted to eliminate some variables before expanding the experiment
Squares come in different sizes and colors. There is a spectrum of squares, some very small and some very large, with all sorts of colors.
This does not mean circles are squares.
It’s amazing to me how some people fight so hard against something that would benefit them. Like, if I offered to send you $500 a month no strings attached, would you really be against it?
They have done a lot of studies and test runs with UBIs, they seem to work pretty well and most people use them to pay off debts, save up some, educate themselves and still work. Iirc employment actually went up and people were more productive because they didn’t have to worry as much. (Not that productivity should like, be a goal that magically makes something valid to exist and if it isn’t should be scrapped) You’ve probably seen a bunch of stuff online about it so I doubt I’d convince you of anything at this point.
As for inflation, looks like people can price gouge their way to hyper inflation just fine without a ubi, so yeah, not sure why you’d be against a check every month.
A global society where science has advanced enough and everyone is wealthy enough to be able to do this? They can do what they want with it I guess, we’ll never see it
I’d like something else dropped on them.
We could be solarpunk. Like, right now. With everything using clean energy and plants everywhere.
So that goes back to my original comment, porque no las dos?
Did you mean to say if they weren’t a right?
What’s that got to do with this post?
Ah, so not only do you resort to childish insults but you’re incapable to actually answer a simple yes or no question. I wonder why you’re afraid to answer, but that’s your business.
Since you obviously don’t respect me, as evident from the above points, I don’t really see a point in trying to defend my position. You wouldn’t listen to anything I had to say, any facts or studies you’d dismiss as a scam, and you won’t even bother trying to get to understand my position enough to argue against it.
You’ve already decided that, because I had even a slightly different position than you, not even against you just different, that you’re smarter, more hard working, and better than me and therefore I deserve, earned even, insults and dismissal.
So this long since hasn’t been an argument in good faith.
Which is really disappointing, I would’ve actually enjoyed having a discussion on the validity of a ubi in a socialist society with someone, but that someone clearly wasn’t going to be you, and never was going to be.
The worst part I feel is how much damage you’re doing to the position of universal healthcare, housing, education and food, by being so venomous. Do your position and your movement a favor and please, don’t engage with people about the subject. You’re doing the same the the WBC does for Christianity, and giving everyone on our side a bad name.