• tabular@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    To use Windows without a Microsoft account requires tech literacy these days, I thought. I would not be suprised if users didn’t choose to sync with a MS account but it’s doing it anyway, if that’s what MS want.

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      23 hours ago

      If you sign in with a Microsoft account at all I don’t believe there’s the capability to opt out.

      I only use local accounts. I have never had a Microsoft account. I never will.

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        22 hours ago

        You can’t do that anymore, at least not with a normal Windows installation. All of the tricks of forcing it offline, clicking cancel 10 times and jumping up and down don’t work anymore, they’ve disabled them all, the only way to install Windows 11 now (using the normal Microsoft installer) is by linking it to a Microsoft account.

          • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.org
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            19 hours ago

            Sorry, but the argument above was for a regular user, who doesn’t know what Rufus is, who doesn’t know the concept of OS, who simply knows thinks the files are saved “on the computer” (while they somehow ended up on OneDrive).

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          22 hours ago

          You can still create a local account by setting the PC up as a “School or Business” PC and then choosing the local account option.

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          21 hours ago

          This is not true. There are several tools to create a bootable USB that uses a local account.

          They just made it hard for Joe Schmoe to avoid it.

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              16 hours ago

              Joe Schmoe buys new laptop with Windows preinstalled.

              Joe Schmoe boots it for the first time.

              Greeted by first-log-on.

              Goes through steps and is immediately captured.

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          17 hours ago

          Just update a W10 local install. It won’t even try to ask you to add a microsoft account.

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      22 hours ago

      I’m not even sure if you can install without an MS account if you don’t use Rufus anymore. Rufus requires literacy for sure, and even if you can still do it without it is designed to make it impossible to know you can from within the installer itself.

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        18 hours ago

        Main issue with Rufus is secure boot unfortunately, otherwise Rufus is easy enough that I gave a couple “click here, then here, then here and here are some screenshots” to a friend they were able to navigate it just fine. At this point I swear Rufus is easier than using the official installer provided Secure Boot is off.

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          12 hours ago

          Images patched by Rufus can definitely pass secureboot, as long the bootloader wasn’t touched. Secureboot only checks the signature of the bootloader, not every single file of the operating system, otherwise it will take hours to boot

          Plus Rufus touches some XML read by the installer, doesn’t crack the executables