• Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works
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      18 hours ago

      I just don’t understand why good people are so prone to think letting the bully repeatedly punch them in the face will work. Some people won’t stop until they are stopped. Everyone knows this. There’s a lot of forms that can take, but blowing fucking whistles clearly isn’t it.

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        Violence begets violence.

        That’s a trite phase, but it’s no less true.

        As soon as America meets violence with violence we’re cooked.

        The line is crossed and now we wait for lawmakers to choose a side.

        The rule of law OR Fascism

        Support and encourage your representatives to stand up to Trump and impeach the childfucker.

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          Support and encourage your representatives to stand up to Trump and impeach the childfucker.

          Did you forget that they already declined to prosecute him?

          I feel like a broken clock with this, but you realize the Supreme Court’s ruling that presidents are immune from prosecution for any acts taken in their capacity as president, which they specifically said would include assassinating political rivals, didn’t come during Trump’s second term right? It came during Biden’s term. The Supreme Court literally told him, “You could assassinate Trump and nothing would happen to you.” He refused to even pursue him for prosecution.

          Democrats WILL NEVER SAVE YOU. They never have. They’re guilty of genocide, and you’re relying on an appeal to their humanity. Don’t doom yourself, organize with actual humans.

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          The line is crossed and now we wait for lawmakers to choose a side.

          SCOTUS is owned; what law makers?
          Wake up.

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        You’re not wrong but you’re also not volunteering to get yourself killed as well as likely hundreds if not thousands right off the bat.

        Kent State was much smaller and you still ended up with iirc like 40 deaf or injured.

        Open rebellion is a last resort because it’s guaranteed to come with a body count.

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          No, obviously we need guerilla tactics. Going after the agents’ individual homes and when they’re with family–vulnerable and unarmed. Which would require their personal info. They do list the field offices.

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          I’m not as well versed on that event as I would like, but isn’t that another example of a peaceful protest that turned into a shooting gallery?

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          Open rebellion is a terrible idea.

          We have extensive data on how to fight the US. We just choose not to use the correct tactics.

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              I’d say Symmetric is the way. Meaning attacking when they’re in the same situation, not when they’re fully armed, but when they’re not. Off duty, their homes, field offices, etc. That’s what they’re doing. Do the same.

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          The first, second, third, and fourth martyr positions are already taken. This trolling is no longer effective.

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            Fine, next martyr, though you knew what I meant. In any case, magical thinking (you just have to want it hard enough) has never worked. If you have suggestions for what to actually do, bring it. Anything short of actions that’ll get you killed never seem to be good enough for the complainers.

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              One thing that hasn’t been tried is a general strike (and by strike I don’t mean one day off, but a sustained, complete standstill of business without a set end date). That is like the only peaceful means potentially affecting the US oligarchs who finance fascism. And it doesn’t have to be the entire US, for starters it would help if at least some states and/or large cities would take part.

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                Strikes in the US? I highly doubt it.
                Most people depend on their jobs for healthcare and have been brainwashed for decades into thinking that if you don’t have a job that’s your fault, strikes are communism, etc, etc.

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                Planning for a general strike takes A LONG TIME. It’s not something you can just “declare” - you may already know that, but I’ll say it anyway for other people reading this. You need time for people to save money, to organize with neighbors, to figure out how they can afford to go without paying bills… The current, most legitimate plans for a general strike, with multiple major unions either behind it or considering it, is for 2028. And even then I don’t really know if Americans are organized enough to pull it off, but hopefully we can get there.