Members of Kibbutz Hanita near Israel’s northern border are demanding $11 million from Ballet Vision, the Chinese fund that controls 80% of the Hanita Lenses plant, accusing it of refusing to exercise an option to purchase the kibbutz’s remaining shares, according to a lawsuit filed in Tel Aviv District Court.
In a response letter attached to the lawsuit, the Chinese fund said that since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country, making it impossible to carry out the option.
According to the lawsuit, in 2021 the kibbutz sold 74% of Hanita Lenses, which manufactures intraocular lenses for medical use, to Ballet Vision for $35 million. Of that sum, $25 million was paid to kibbutz members, with an additional $10 million injected into the company.
That’s cool, too bad they are apparently as morally bankrupt as the USA leadership otherwise they would advocate for the utter destruction of israel and the public execution of any Chinese citizen who had ever invested a single Yuan into genocide.
The PRC currently absolutely prioritizes Palestinian statehood, and has directly helped the resistance as well. They do not sell arms to Israel, or tools like drones that could be weaponized. I agree that investing into Israel is morally bankrupt, but it’s important to see that there’s a massive difference between the US Empire, actively funding and supplying genocide, and the PRC, which is non-interventionist and imperfect in their support of Palestine.
The PRC is not helping the US and Israel disarm the resistance. China has affirmed that Palestinians must control Palestine in their own state, and served as a vital mediator for the 2024 Beijing Declaration, where Fatah and Hamas were brought closer together and the resistance as a whole in Palestine came together to collaborate more closely, alongside China. In the 2024 Beijing Declaration, which China was a core mediator for, it was declared that the resistance must not be disarmed.
China has consistently only ever veto’d at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto’d outcome. The PRC has veto’d sanctions on the DPRK, and has enforced that veto by increasing trade with the DPRK. The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto, such as when it was determined to stop shipping arms to Haiti, which the US subverted. China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US’s plans for the region.
If we look at how resistance orgs responded, they aren’t blaming China. Instead, they have similar analysis to China, that is that the plan itself is unworkable and that they cannot implement it in the first place. China also adhered its best to both the PLO, who endorsed TRUST, and Hamas, the PFLP, etc that oppose TRUST.
Personally, I would rather China take a more millitant anti-imperialist stance than their current passive stance. There’s good reason to believe this will be the case in the future, as younger generations in China are more millitant and more overwhelmingly pro-Palestine. However, I don’t confuse imperfect allies for enemies, which is the western-leftist mistake you’ve fallen for.
China is contributing to a multi-polar world, which undermines Israel and supports Palestine. China’s position in the global stage facilitates south-south trade, which bypasses unequal exchange, where the global north maintains monopolies on high tech industries so as to consistently charge monopoly prices in exchange with the global south. China charges non-monopoly prices, and this is why exchange with China, alongside the rise of the Belt and Road Initiative, has resulted in dramatic development in African and Latin American countries. This is ultimately the single greatest contributor to the downfall of imperialism globally, and is why right now there is such a large cold war with China.
Your confusion of imperfect allies with enemies is why the western left has continued to fail to meaningfully challenge the status quo. Jones Manoel was correct in Western Marxism Loves Purity and Martyrdom, But Not Real Revolution. Western leftists do the work of the US Empire by making the same mistakes you’ve been making with respect to China, thereby sabotaging allies and making the efforts of the ones actually arming, facilitating, and committing the genocide easier.
TL;DR join an org. Having a practical outlet to test theory to practice, and directly organize against arming and supporting Israel, is a much better use of your time. It will also help you form a more correct understanding of anti-imperialist struggle.
A lot of what you say is reasonable discourse that can be seen as defending a political ideology that you feel strongly contributes to a better world. There’s nothing wrong with that and I commend you.
But then you say this
and you collapse into the “I’m about to start smashing skulls in the name of my ideology, and I’ll do so until I’ve inadvertently built an empire”.
So you and your ideological bedmates have decided that you have the moral clarity to decide who gets attacked in the name of anti-imperialism. The world has certainly never heard that angle before, I’m sure you’ll be the first.
When you can’t actually counter the arguments someone has actually made, instead you can just wildly misrepresent them!
As I said already in another response to you, we’re talking past each other. You’re not trying to understand what I said and I don’t have the desire to discuss it with you. I would assume you feel the same about me. We’re not benefiting each other in any way, at this point you’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you, there’s no point to continue, so best to just go about our day.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
-Jean-Paul Sartre
Cool quote. I like Sartre. I’ve used the “don’t believe in words” many times. And I’m not an anti-semite, just so you know. I’ve many Jewish people in my life.
But I’m not trying to redefine anything. I just don’t want to talk to you or anyone about it anymore.
So you’re loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is passed?
To quote Marx
I couldn’t care less about your moral standards. The exploited have every right to fight back.
There are 3 major problems with your line of logic.
For starters, not all intervention means millitary violence. There can be economic intervention, such as sanctions, trade embargoes, or even supplying resistance groups. In fact, the PRC already does some of this, in supporting the Palestinian resistance. My emotional desire for more support in this regard doesn’t rest on the PLA invading Israel.
With respect to argument 2, international violence is not inherently imperialist. Imperialism is a relationship by which one country economically plunders the resources and surplus value created by other countries. This can be maintained with violence, installing compradors, etc. The PRC isn’t imperialist, and aiding Palestine against Israel would not resort in the creation of new colonies for China.
With respect to argument 3, you verge into idealism. The idea that Marxism-Leninism isn’t a genuinely anti-imperialist framework needs to be contested based on its merits as an ideology, not based on the idea that flawed ideologies exist. You treat anti-imperialism as something inherently unknowable, ie within the realm of the supernatural, intentionally or not. The truth is that nothing in the universe is truly unknowable, no matter how difficult it is to learn, and treating certain ideas as beyond knowledge just pushes them into the realm of the supernatural.
All of your arguments are in service of saying the PLA would be evil to provide more direct support to the resistance and take a stronger anti-Zionist stance than they already are, via phrasemongering on your part and linguistic gymnastics.
To begin with, you should use the word ‘claim’ rather than ‘assume’.
No I don’t. OP did when they hoped for increased militarism.
No I don’t. Foreign military adventures are not always imperialism.
You’re starting to get to what I was claiming, which is that unchecked power backed by ideology convinced of its moral, ethical or political superiority will eventually aim to spread itself, likely through violence, military or otherwise. Marxism is no different, and the implementation of it in China is not showing any moral superiority beyond what I’ve seen in history from any other soon to be superpower, colonial or otherwise. We’ll soon see how that plays out in Taiwan I’m sure, which will be the next example of China’s ‘beneficence’.
I admit I didn’t read anything past your three points because your first two interpretations of my claims didn’t impress me (so I’m not really interested in how you rebut the claims you made up) and moreover this entire exchange with everyone has been insulting and lacking in any good faith whatsoever so I’m disinclined to attempt further discussion with anyone.
I’m OP, and no I didn’t make that claim. I used “millitant” to refer to taking an active role, rather than a passive one. That’s why I said you assumed all intervention is violent based on my use of the word millitant.
But you did. You said millitant intervention leads to imperialism.
This is idealism, though, and is based more on the supernatural than the material. By claiming that no ideology can actually be genuinely anti-imperialist, you treat anti-imperialism as something unknowable, beyond the material, and therefore the realm of the supernatural. Materialism teaches us that there is nothing truly unknowable, while your reasoning relies on some grand “human spirit” to explain your insistence that ideology inevitably turns to imperialism.
And this is why your argument is getting correctly deconstructed by everyone, you aren’t actually listening and have made up your mind that you’re correct.
If you say so.
Great talk.
I like how you’ve left a dozen comments asserting that you have nothing left to say and the conversation is over, and then you just keep going while refusing to actually engage in the conversation.
Least bad faith shitlib
Yes fighting on the side of the exploited against their exploiter is morally just in all instances. It’s easy for you to talk shit from your cushy position in the imperial core. I hope you reflect in the future on the immense privilege you have thanks to the mass immiseration of the global south and do better.
So you’re not different from your opposition. For sure you’ve got the right answer, and your might will prove it.
It’s not about me, it’s about the principle you’re espousing. Also you don’t know anything about me, and presuming you do does nothing for your position.
Edit - Are you also asserting China is not or will never be imperialist? How naive can you possibly be?
“Fighting against the Nazis makes you no different from the Nazis!!!”
Everyone in this comment section is talking past each other. This isn’t what I said or implied, it’s what others, like you, implied about what I said.
It’s absolutely what you said and implied. You can argue that you misspoke if you like, but it’s absolutely what you said and it’s pure dishonesty to pretend otherwise
What part of fighting on the side of the exploited against their exploiters is always just did you not get?
Might doesn’t prove anything. Violence is unfortunately the only language that colonialist and imperialists understand as has already been proven by history.
In your mind was it wrong to use violence on the Nazis? You seem awfully pro status quo which is built on the rape, murder pillaging and mass exploitation of Billions for the comfort of a few millions and the mass excesses of a few thousand.
Edit: what no material, class, dialectical, historical or any analysis beyond vibes does to someone. Pure brain worms.
There’s nothing wrong with fighting to protect people it’s the part where you decide you and your friends get to decide who is right and who is wrong.
As I said before, you don’t know anything about me, so don’t presume that you do so that you can justify your righteous indignationand buttress poorly formed beliefs. My family has a long history of military involvement, my grandfather fought from Normandy to Germany and suffered greatly for it. Two of his brothers fought and one didn’t come back. My maternal grandmother was Osterbeiter and met my maternal grandfather in a German work camp. All of my family hated Nazis with a passion their entire lives, and half of them also hated Soviets. Don’t talk to me like I don’t understand fighting for what you believe, and don’t tell me I don’t understand suffering.
Military excursions in the name of ideology, particularly when they are done by a superpower, very quickly become imperialism. Thinking China is immune to that is immensely naive.
More vibes based analysis from one so wise. Fighting the Nazis was good but fighting the order set up by the imperial power the Nazis modelled themselves after is bad. You are a privileged liberal who only cares about what directly affects you and don’t care about the rest of us. The global south is being exploited on a scale that would give Hitler wet dreams and your response to people supporting them fighting back is “you’re just as bad as the exploiters if you fight back”. It’s infantile and plainly ridiculous. Grow up. Do some reading, go visit the global south and talk to people and witness the exploitation you are inherently ok with as you condemn resistance.
Long history of imperial conquest but also fought the Nazis so all the rest of it is ok.
You clearly don’t know what this word means.
We don’t decide anything. It has already been decided when they supported genocide imperialism and colonialism. No one forced them to.
You’re insulting to me and my family, you know nothing about me, and we’ve strayed pretty far from the point, which was that any ideological regime given unchecked power will with very high likelihood eventually abuse it to spread their beliefs.
There isn’t any good faith left here. I didn’t attack you personally, and I don’t appreciate it from you.
Thankfully, as I said in another comment, although I strongly disagree with many aspects of how my country is organized, I doubt your view of how to organize a country will get much purchase here, other than the aspects which are beneficial and which we attempted to integrate, to our benefit. In fact I’m not even sure you’re Canadian so this suggests we have even less of a reason to carry on this discussion.
Have a great weekend, try not to hate your fellow countrymen, or indeed humanity itself, too much. You’re supposed to be presenting a morally enlightened regime after all. Not off to a great start.
Connect this. How is a country materially supporting anti-fascism and anti-imperialism a road to imperialism? Tie it directly to Marxism-Leninism in particular. Focusing on vague generalities while ignoring specifics that are inconvenient to your argument is poor logic.
Why? Connect the argument, address the claims directly.
Why do you suppose Marxist-Leninist ideology somehow immunizes a nation against imperialist desires or a general desire to increase ones power, which are both arguably part of human nature and certainly part of the nature of a nation-state?
What is it about any ideology that might make it immune to that?
Any unchecked ideology will eventually try to assert itself unilaterally. As your previous comments have made clear.
Incredible for the “fighting back against fascism is evil” guy to be calling anyone else naive
You clearly misunderstood what I said.
My family fought and one of them died fighting fascists, I despise them and would gladly rejoin the military to do so, even though I’m almost at the age cap.
How’s your history in this regard?
Oh, so you “have decided that you have the moral clarity to decide who gets attacked in the name of anti-imperialism.” then?
Your assertions here are that using violence against fascists is bad purely because we cannot know whether fascism is correct or anti-fascism is. As for China being imperialist or not, your argument is that by opposing fascism they will inevitably become imperialist.
These are logical absurdities based in idealism.
Nope
It is, though.
You aren’t arguing about the answer. When we say “violence against fascists and imperialists is justified,” you attack the fact that this is ideologically driven.
This argument, again, is saying principles are incapable of being good.
I’ve responded to about a dozen people, friend. I’m not going to rehash it here.
Which country do you live in?
“Imperialist violence and antiimperialist violence are actually the same”
Okay, so just sit there and suffer endlessly i guess. Nobody should fight back against Israel or ICE, because that would make them the same. Damn, it’s been a while since I’ve seen this view unironically.
Not what I said at all. I’m 100% for fighting back against ICE, and although I don’t believe going to war in the middle east is something Canada should do, I do believe in stopping all trade with Israel and treating them like a genocidal, criminal regime. That doesn’t mean we should go to war with them or hope to increase our foreign militarism in general, which is what the OP was saying and what I responded to. Moreover he claimed that somehow a Marxist state would be immune to abusing that power, and yes, that is naive.
If you don’t understand at this point, best to just move on with our lives. I don’t have any more energy or desire to explain it.
Oh, so you “have decided that you have the moral clarity to decide who gets attacked in the name of anti-imperialism.” then?
Presumably you also believe we shouldn’t have gone to war with Nazi Germany.
Are you planning to follow me around this whole thread humping my leg trying to get attention? I get it, you hate liberals. Move on bro.
I thought you said you were done with the discussion and leaving?