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The Palestinian journalist has spent years documenting life in Gaza under Israeli occupation and, recently, amid Israel’s genocide. Her series with Al Jazeera’s AJ+ has won numerous awards, including a Peabody Award, an Edward R. Murrow Award, and even an Emmy. At the same time, pro-Israel voices have sought to silence Owda, including in a campaign in 2024 to pressure her Emmy nomination to be withdrawn.
In her Instagram video, Owda said that the ban was “expected” due to pressure from high-powered figures to censor Palestinian voices from TikTok.
She overlaid a video of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s remarks at the UN General Assembly in September, in which he named TikTok as a “number one” priority of Israel.
She also shared a video with the company’s U.S. CEO, Adam Presser, saying that the company made a change to designate critically labelling someone as a “Zionist” as hate speech. “Over the course of 2024, we tripled the amount of accounts that we were banning for hateful activity,” Presser bragged at a conference last year.
It was absolutely Chinese propaganda, it’s absurd anyone would say that it wasn’t. Literally you thinking it isn’t Chinese propaganda is a result of the Chinese propaganda on it.
How was it chinese propaganda? Did they ban people for saying tiannamen square or something?
I’ve only heard FUD surrounding tiktok, like the CCP having access to all of its data. That’s not the same as propaganda. I’ve also never seen proof of them use that access maliciously and the US government now has access to all of the data a la PRISM.
We’re moving from reality to orthodoxy. You’re making an unfalsifiable claim.
Do you think there’s any social media platform isn’t being used as a propaganda machine at this point? If not, why wouldn’t the Chinese government use it for this purpose? If so, what makes TikTok different than anyone else?
TikTok was replete with all sorts of advertisements, marketing campaigns, and influencer content. Nobody is claiming it lacked a surplus of propaganda.
The claim Biden’s administration made was that Beijing bureaucrats were dictating the social media feed of American TikTok users based on Palestine-friendly media content served up during the 2024 primaries. This is a fully unsubstantiated allegation. Nevertheless, it was used to justify the forced sale of the US branch of the application to Trump-aligned business interests.
Well we can’t do more than speculate since we don’t have inside information, but this push started during Trump’s last term before Biden was elected so it seems both of them are aligned on this point. Considering everyone is using social media to push their own nationalist propaganda, I don’t see how one could argue China wasn’t doing it too especially considering they’re also a global superpower just like the US. Why wouldn’t they use it for this purpose?
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/900019185/trump-signs-executive-order-that-will-effectively-ban-use-of-tiktok-in-the-u-s
We have individuals in the government on record for their reasoning.
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I’m not sure what this proves as I put zero stock in the word of a Republican senator. He could be telling the truth or he could be an opportunist using the support for Israel’s genocide in Palestine to push the narrative he wants.
He was the primary advocate and original co-sponsor for the bill that Joe Biden eventually signed. If you’re not taking his word at why he authored the legislation, advanced it through his own committee, and pushed it onto the President’s desk, who else are you going to listen to?
Again I don’t see what this angle proves or disproves? I don’t trust his word because Republican politicians have zero credibility. I also think Joe Biden has zero credibility and them advancing this through bureaucratic procedure doesn’t make it any more or less credible. Even if the claim that they used it to push anti-Israel propaganda is false, it doesn’t mean the claim that China used it to push propaganda is false.
Given what we know about social media and powerful governments leveraging it to their benefit, my default belief is to assume that they were using it for this purpose until proven otherwise. Nobody has yet attempted to even make an argument as to why they wouldn’t also be using it for the same purpose, especially considering they’ve been running “the great firewall” to control the flow of information to their own population for more than 20 years.
this claim is totally different from “TikTok is Chinese propaganda”.
“Could/Would” is not the same as “is”
It’s not a totally different claim. “Could/would” is what we use when we’re forced to speculate due to a lack of insider knowledge. Claiming that it “isn’t” is no more valid than claiming that it “is” in this situation, but we can use context clues like the fact that other nations are using social media for the same purpose and it originating in China, a fellow world superpower, to reason that they would be using it for similar purposes. Why wouldn’t they be using an effective tool like this? This stuff isn’t being created for altruistic reasons.
You mean you want people to believe unsubstantiated claims that lack evidence?
Still don’t see any argument that justifies substituting “could/would” with “is” except vague notion of “we do it, so they’re definitely doing it”
Just because we don’t have a signed confession and video recorded statement from the leader of China detailing a propaganda campaign doesn’t mean this is a completely unsubstantiated claim that lacks evidence. I listed numerous pieces of circumstantial evidence and we can use Occam’s Razor to conclude they would use this for that purpose.
We don’t have hard evidence proving that Trump raped kids with Epstein, but I’d bet you believe he did based on the circumstantial evidence that we do know, so what’s the difference between this and that? It’s not as if China is a benevolent and altruistic world superpower. They’re going to have their fingers in every pie just like the US would/does.
Can you provide any evidence, whether direct or circumstantial, demonstrating that they weren’t using it for this purpose in order to substantiate the claim of “isn’t?” Can you even make a good argument for why they wouldn’t especially as a counter to all the western platforms doing it?
It censored Tiananmen Square and fostered a positive impression of China politically, economically, and socially. It openly promoted propaganda. Hell, all those “traditional Chinese manufacturing” videos were literally state sponsored. Are you operating on some extremely narrow definition of propaganda?
Looks like you’re wrong. Hopefully you can learn from this so you can prevent it from happening in the future.
Unfortunately, nobody expects you to own up to it because that’s just how your kind operates.
People on lemmy can’t read any better than people on reddit. Censored. Past tense. This was all in the news a few years ago for those of us that haven’t had their attention spans ruined by tiktok and can remember longer than a week or two at a time. Pro-China content is literally propaganda on a state sponsored app. Positive PR for a country is called propaganda. Hope this helps with your ability to understand relatively basic concepts in the future.
Is showing roads in Tiananmen Square not having potholes also considered Chinese propaganda?
The crime TikTok users committed was fostering a positive impression of Gaza.