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“more cameras”, “more training”…
are just codewords for “more budget”, a white supremacists masked gang, led by probably history’s worse pedophile. and the “opposition” is asking to raise their budget.
This is the difference between Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil.
I don’t think this is gonna sound “civil”, because I genuinely think we are so completely fucked in the US that if we want to avoid either a Somalia-style civil war (which is really bad BTW) or a dictator in power … we need to do some pretty drastic stuff. And … even this is kinda dangerous IMO, but also IMO “safe” was something that went byebye in the 2024 election.
We must primary worthless Democrats like Schumer anywhere we can. “Ohhhhhkaayyyy…” FUCKING NO DAMMIT, NO MORE! This surrender bullshit has to stop and that means he’s gotta be removed from “leader” at the least. Then we need to get every Democrat we can into office, with strong leadership in the Senate and Stronger in the House. We must flip the Senate.
Next, Vance needs to be impeached. Yes Vance. Congress doesn’t actually need “cause” but claiming an army of fucking stormtroopers have “absolute immunity” to murder Americans is cause enough. He’s gotta go. And Congress must refuse to appoint his replacement. Because when you then impeach Trump over … pick a crime, really? That makes the Speaker our president. You see why I said this is dangerous, because one party rule always is corrupt. If we come out of this with a democracy where elections matter it’ll be a miracle.
The new president can begin firing Trump’s cabal of feckless, corrupt incompetents, and sith lord Stephen Miller too. At that point we need a special counsel to start investigatin’ and referring people for prosecutions as the evidence is collected. And the prosecutions need to happen. I don’t think people accept less than that. The evidence has to come out, and people need to be accountable. That is gonna include some in Congress. (Although frankly every Republican in Congress had access to classified info that proved a lot of Trump’s crimes from the start, so IMO they’re all co-conspirators. But I doubt even firebrand Democrats have the guts to charge them all.)
This is a monumental task and I have no idea how it gets accomplished.
We’ve already seen great progress on a local/community front with new progressive, even socialist mayors and representatives being elected to major positions of power, flying in the face of the narrative that all elections are rigged.
The USA is huge and made of 50 individual states each with their own varied systems of rules and political allegiances, and the GOP and this dumb administration broadly have been way overreached thinking they can strangle the entire thing into submission.
We can absolutely get this thing turned around if we keep this effort towards our local representation and leadership. We can work on deposing every incumbent Democrat and actually getting in people who want to go against the mainstream status-quo and finally squash this old-money, monoparty kayfabe.
Your biggest enemy in this is going to be other self-described leftists who think that it doesn’t matter, that politics cannot change anything and expect immediate reward in the form of some kind of “armed revolution” and anything less than that is too boring and slow for their attention spans.
Otherwise, the USA is a huge, slow-turning boat, the things that happen now have an effect months or years downstream, so it’s very hard to predict overall public feelings as more and more of Trump’s admin wrecks shit and creates problems for people. We can easily capitalize on this.
https://www.progressivevictory.win/ is an organization who helps link people up with progressive candidates in their area to help support or volunteer to help. They helped get people like Zohran Mamdani and Katie Wilson elected recently among others.
(Save your angry pushback Lemmy browsers, I block doomers, tankies and edgy teenagers with glee, get off your ass and do something useful.)
None of your plan is realistic because no one in a position of power to do anything agrees with you.
If you’re an American voter, you are. That’s the thing about sea changes in politics. They come from people who have very little power. And we do have very little power. It happens when there’s a damned lot of us, and not until then. The last time was when they kicked out the railroad barons and created anti-monopoly laws that are still on the books, mostly unused since the 70s. The time before that was pre-civil war. And before that was the revolutionary war itself.
These things don’t always have to be done via war, but they do have to be done by an overwhelming majority of people. Fatalism doesn’t help. Organizing does.
Because there are no leftist dems. All are either centre or center right.
And there are no center republicans, all are either far
leftright or extreme farleftright.Their goals are the same, just slightly different methods.
What being terminally online does to a mother fucker.
You must mean “right and far right”
Yes. Thanks
Centrist dems? The Democrats are right wing. The Republicans are far right. There is no left or centre in US politics. If any is centrist, they are considered communist. What Americans consider to be left is still considered right by the rest of the world. The only centrist American politician I know of is Mamdani and the only slightly-left one I know of is Bernie Sanders. But the Democratic party is definitely on the right side of the spectrum.
By only electing for DSA candidates, the party can be pulled leftward.
Unfortunately, I believe the only way we will ever get another fair, uncompromised election is by making extensive use of louisettes.
No justice, no budget. ICE shouldn’t get another bloody dollar until every officer that has violated any law or constitutional provision is in jail. Democrats voting to fund ICE need to be named and shamed as trump boot lickers. Pressure should be made toward the DNC and state parties to expel them.
They need a visit from the Board of Education.
The Board of Education:
You want to brutalize Democrats with rusty spikes?
they are center right, not even center specifically. schumer and 13 other senators, + hakeem are all closer the og gop.
Democrats are just paid opposition. There’s a few good ones but the majority are bad
the only good ones are zohran, bernie, and aoc, and maybe some local ones. DNC only tolerates the latter 2, because they need reverse lightning rod.
I generally consider these people who reject AIPAC money good. Unfortunately, they are far outnumbered
Ro kahna, illian Omar, pramala jayapal, Adelita GRIJalva, LATEEFAH SIMON, Maxine Waters, MAXWELL FROST, DELIA RAMIREZ, JESÚS CHUY GARCÍA, ANDRÉ CARSON, THOMAS MASSIE, CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, ELIZABETH WARREN, AYANNA PRESSLEY, RASHIDA TLAIB, BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN, NYDIA VELAZQUEZ, JEFF MERKLEY, SUMMER LEE, AL GREEN, GREG CASAR, PETER WELCH, BECCA BALINT, MARK POCAN
Every Republican is so so so so so much worse, though, so let’s all go door to door to sing praises for the DNC. If the DNC had more than 48 seats for the first time in over 13 years they wouldn’t have any excuses left. Let’s do that.
So what do we do when they don’t have any excuses left? Because they’re sure as shit not going to fix anything whether they’re able to or not. This is a Capitalist country - people work for money and nothing else, and most of Democrat’s money comes from donations from tech and finance giants who love the free reign they’re being given right now. As soon as the Democrats accepted that money it literally became their job to keep things the same for the benefit of their benefactors. On paper they’re against the far right, but money supersedes all of that.
So what do we do when they don’t have any excuses left?
just keep electing dems, because the party can only be failed never fail 😭
It’s my theory that they want to give ice cameras so they can more easily record the protesters’ faces without having to take out their phones since they are making some sort of database.
The company that makes the cameras (Axon, they also make tasers) has a whole web service for sharing the cam videos. So it’s already going to computers that can run facial recognition. I mean, that exists now. Of course more data means more protesters profiled.
Strap some IR LED lights and a small battery and toggle to your glasses.
Decent chance your face is now is big white blob to many cameras.
Axon tried to recruit me to make payload drones that definitely won’t be used to drop grenades and “definitely” won’t be sold to US police and paramilitary to drop chemical weapons on civilians because it is “against their company values” (the company that tazes each other as an initiation rite).
I was debating on doing it to try to make everything work as badly as possible and learn how to make civilian countermeasures, but I ended up telling them to go fuck themselves and that they were liars, in no uncertain terms.
likely it will be linking to palintir as well, since we know the new speedcameras, red light are doing the same.
and the dems dont want being called out for allowing htem to use phones.
Get ready for a lot of left-splitting posts like this as the midterms get nearer.
How does it feel to have learned absolutely nothing for over a decade?
Because big tent politics and capitulating to centrist/right-wing Democrats has worked out so well for us.
In a two party system, a small tent is no tent. We can move the Democrats left. It’s happening now, in a big way, on the Israel issue.
We can move the Democrats left.
Are you seriously bringing back this bullshit slogan from half a decade ago? I swear to god, BlueMAGA dems have literally convinced themselves that it’s 2020 and the Biden administration didn’t happen. What else can you do, I suppose? It categorically demonstrated that the “we can move them left!” Was bullshit.
It’s happening now
Oh, it’s happening now is it? Not during the year and a half of open genocide that the Democratic party oversaw? Just now, when they’re out of power? And in a “big way” huh? And yet not a single person within the party who participated in Isreals genocide has faced any consequence. Not even a slap on the wrist, let alone the trial and execution these monsters deserve.
This a farce at this point. Charlie Brown could tell you to stop trying to kick that football.
Do you even pay attention to the podcasts you brainwash yourself with? Chapo Trap House has said multiple times recently that Democrats are finally getting the message that their base has shifted massively against Israel.
Yeah they are getting the fact that their base has shifted so they are just trying harder to get more right wing voters and be the “other” choice.
Just cause they see it doesnt mean they care to change in the way you want. This is the Epstein class after all.
You know how you move them left? By picking horrific policies like this, criticizing them heavily, and then getting rid of the politicians who support them. That’s how you move left. It’s not a magical thing you do. It’s this right here.
That’s fine for the primaries
You say, already complaining about people criticising the democrats before the primaries have even started.
You’re not going to believe this, but guess what’s happening right now?
Though I’m going to push back on that a little bit actually. It’s important you keep doing it the rest of the time too. Pressure has to be constant if you want to move a party. You don’t do it by sitting on your ass for all but two months of the year. The only way you can consistently steer a political party is by consistent pressure. So we need to never stop. Cuz guess who doesn’t stop, guess who doesn’t follow your advice, the neoliberals and their billionaire backers.
To the Democratic party, big tent politics means right-wing politics, and if you don’t know that by now, I’m not sure what to tell you.
Yeah we probably disagree on what right wing means. I hope you’re not throwing your vote away every year, because that is not helpful and we need help right now!
Stop supporting genocide
Best I can do is offer you a choice between a candidate who’s a devout Zionist, but a Democrat, and a candidate who’s actually anti-semitic, but is being blackmailed by Israel, so their policies are even more Zionist.
Vote blue no matter who?
I’m old enough to have seen that tried many times now, and look where we’re at.
I think it’s time for something different, and we can start by not championing centrists, or attacking/shaming people on the left who do criticize them.
We clearly live in different timelines, the DNC have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years. If you want party reform you need to get initiatives on local ballots, if you want a progressive and democratic future then you need to vote DNC in the generals.
Have you not noticed them failing to get support over the last 13+ years by trying the same strategy over and over again?
Why should we keep doing more of the same if it hasn’t worked? I don’t get this logic?
If you want party reform you need to get initiatives on local ballots
Have you not been watching Gavin vetoing the what he or his donors don’t like in California after the people pass them like that?? Nm
We didn’t try it in 2024. How do you rate the results of that one?
What are you talking about?
The Democrats ran the centrist (again), and vote blue no matter who was the mantra everywhere I looked.
The voters that didn’t fail Kamala.
The voters didn’t fail the Democratic party.
Kamla and the Democratic party failed the voters.
What is your actionable alternative?
Allowing criticism from the left and recognizing that American centrists are right-wingers by another name, no matter their party affiliation.
Criticism has always been allowed, you’re doing it now. How do you actually secure a better alternative?
The top comment is calling this post left splitting, and implying that this type criticism is dangerous/nefarious.
And that’s the comment I was responding to.
But you still made the comment you did. As I said, criticism is and has always been allowed.
Criticism by itself doesn’t accomplish anything. Sure, mollifying centrists has not been ideal, but unless there’s an actionable alternative, it’s the best we’ve got at the moment. I’m all for alternatives, I just see a lot of social inertia and none of the alternatives I see are capable of offering a better outcome in the face of that inertia.
If you have a suggestion to elevate progressives into office, I would sincerely love to hear it; that is my preferred outcome. But complaining about the dominant strategy without offering an actionable alternative is, as the top comment identified, splitting the left.
“Sure we keep eating shit doing it, but it’s the ‘dominant strategy’ so it’s forbid to criticize it!”
Uhh isn’t this exactly what we need before the primaries?
Everytime someone would point out how shitty some of these Dem candidates are we are told “save it for the primaries”. Well here we are.
I’m always taking the side of harm reduction, but that’s pretty much reserved for when you’re in the voting booth and there’s nothing else to be done. I’m some rando from overseas, but this applies everywhere in the world where you can still vote.
Before elections is the time to take action so you don’t end up having to choose between evils
If you want your primary candidate to win then you need to sing the candidates praises. Shitting on the entire DNC is the absolute opposite of that.
Absolutely primary these guys, but remember that most incumbents will win their primaries.
Criticism, it’s called criticism.
And your argument is that we should unify with ICE and the Democrats that want to increase funding for ICE? What’s your endgame here?
Even if more progressive candidates don’t win the primaries in those seats, yes, still vote for the Democrats.
nah fuck that. don’t vote against your own self interests. if you’re in a solid blue state (like the one where schumer is senator of), then vote for the actual left leaning person.
So then when do we defeat the democrats that want to increase funding for ICE, raise more money for Israel, start more regime change wars, increase funding for a border wall, and deport more immigrants?
In the primaries
In the 2016 WV Dem primary, Bernie won every single county, but Clinton won the state. Should they have voted harder? Are you asking people to comitt voter fraud and vote 110%?
Bernie got 18 delegates to Clinton’s 11. What do you mean Clinton won the state?
Exactly. Bernie got 18 delegates, Clinton got 11.so how did Clinton win WV with 19 delegates total?
That’s the idea. That or convince fence sitters to not vote.
“Do not criticize the Party!”
