I will be upfront with this, and say that I’ve never been a huge fan. But I did reinstall a Matrix server, and some clients to see if it’d gotten better in the year or so since I’ve last used it.
This just… Kind of feels like a more centralized XMPP with group chat folders that sort of function? The spaces feature is neat, but I’ve tried 4-5 clients, and every single one of those throws all of them into the same screen as the DMs by default, and I can’t find a way to change that.
Am I missing something here? Like. I want to at least see what people like here, I just can’t.
matrix is pointless, huge bloated buggy ass server, no cheogram (phone number connection) or movim (social network accessible with any xmpp account), I can’t even be bothered to list off my issues with it I wrote out on some comment on some other account here just save yourself.
xmpp literally lets me run phone numbers in 4 different countries that stay connected wherever I am
if you don’t wanna deal with that arcanechat/deltachat is amazing tech that stays almost entirely on device. the arcanechat dev adb is cuban and YOU SHOULD GIVE HIM YOUR MONEY NOW
Bump for Delta Chat. Onboarding is easy as dick, just have them use the default server (nine.testrun.org iirc) unless you have a preference, and pick a uname, don’t even need a password. The “invite friends” tab in DC is handy as hell. Modernish feeling chat to boot, and experimental video calling (works pretty fucking well tbh, better for me than Element’s calling on Graphene without push notifs actually.)
I do like XMPP but it’s still too hard for the normals still unfortunately, no easy “invite friends” that sends them directly to their app store and points them at my acct for me to send, and generally harder onboarding for them. And when I do get someone they complain about the outdated apps. And OMEMO is good but most apps use an outdated implementation and updating it would break compatibility with whoever didn’t. I still use it as a fallback, but Delta has so far been what I’ve been needing.
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Can you explain a bit about how you set up the phone numbers? Are those normal mobile numbers that people can text/call, etc? So you just need a data plan for mobile device?
the app will prompt you with the easy US/Canada options, but there are several providers. I will make a note in my planner to explain how to do it in countries that lack these services but it is really tough I had to spend tjme on the phone with telecoms to get it connected to our shit and by the time I was done it was beer o clock so I didn’t write it all down lol
Which app? Which implementation?
I’m assuming they’re talking about Cheogram, since they mentioned it in their comment, and Cheogram does prompt you to set up a phone number at the end of the login process. I don’t know how well they work, because I don’t use it
I’d heard of DeltaChat, and I use Cheogram as my main XMPP app, but I’ll have to look into arcanechat!
Arcane/Delta are compatible/interoperable with each other, one of the DC devs (the aforementioned adb) is the dev of Arcane and it’s kind of his testing grounds, it has a few extra features like extra themes, markings on the official chats to help prevent scammers, and turning off accts at the profile select screen.
But tbh I went back to DC proper myself last week just because I didn’t get that much benefit (didn’t like the themes over the OG, only use one acct so far and it uses no battery so no need to switch it off, but I did like the badges on the saved/device chats and hope that makes it into the official). Plus the official has the experimental “channels” now that I wanted to play with, and you can enable “debug calls” now so I don’t need Arcane for that anymore. Still love adb and he’s still working on Delta too (and you can message him using either, his contact details are on arcanechat.me lol, and he’s heavy on the DC forum, which you can log into using DC)!
Basically “same thing, try both, you can ‘export backup’ from say Delta and ‘add as second device>import from backup’ in Arcane and be logged into both if you want.” I did that for a day or so while deliberating.